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Prevent Relay Arcing using RC Snubber Circuits

Last Updated on January 2, 2024 by Swagatam 148 Comments

In this article I have explained the formula and techniques of configuring RC circuit networks for controlling the arcing across relay contacts while switching heavy inductive loads.

Table of Contents
  • Arc suppression
    • Inrush Current Suppression
  • How Arcing Happens in Reed Relay Switching
  • RC Design Considerations
    • Using Bidirectional TVS Diode
    • Applying RC Snubber Parallel with the Switch Contact
    • Using RC (Snubber) Suppression Parallel with the Load

Arc suppression

An arc is produced across the contacts when a switch or a relay is opened. With time, this condition can wear down the contacts.

To overcome this problem, an Resistor/Capacitor or RC circuit is deployed across the contacts and safeguard them. Once the contacts are open, the applied voltage goes through the capacitor and not the contacts.

During the process, the capacitor charges up faster than the contacts opening time which eventually avoids an arc from forming across the contacts.

Inrush Current Suppression

When the contacts close, the inrush current from the charged capacitor and the supply voltage can be significantly higher than the ratings for the contacts thus causing them to worsen.

To prevent this, a resistor is introduced in series with the capacitor. It functions as a current limiter by absorbing the inrush current significantly thereby reducing the produced arc and extending the life of the contacts.

C.C Bates developed a formula for calculating the resistance and capacitance value that is required for the RC network: C = I2 /10, and Rc= Vo /[10I{1+(50/Vo)}]

The voltage induced at the contact opening can be determined by

V=IRc= (Rc/RL) Vo

  • Where VO = Voltage source
  • I = Load current at contact opening
  •  RC = Resistance of RC Snubber
  •  C = Capacitance of RC Snubber
  •  RL = Load Resistance

In our following examples we talk about the reed relay arcing issues, and try to evaluate the calculations required for designing RC networks across its contacts.

Since the principle of arcing may be the same in bigger relays also, the formulas used in reed relay could be also applied for dimensioning the RC networks for the bigger relays.

How Arcing Happens in Reed Relay Switching

A reed switch or reed sensor can be used for controlling an inductive device like a relay coil, solenoid, transformer, small motor etc.

When the reed switch opens, the charge stored in the inductance in the device will force the switch contacts to a high voltage. Once the switch opens, the contact gap is tiny in the beginning.

Therefore, arcing between the contact gap can happen almost immediately while the switch is just opening.

The phenomenon can occur in both resistive and inductive loads, but since the latter produce a higher voltage, increased arcing activity is seen thus reducing the switch life.

A diode is normally used by the DC inductive circuits to avoid high voltage. This type of diode is called the flyback, freewheeling, or catch diode.

Unfortunately, the application of this diode is not possible in AC circuits.

So, we must use a metal-oxide varistor (MOV), a bidirectional transient voltage suppressor (TVS) diode or an RC suppression network, also known as a snubber.

These diverse arc suppression approaches have many pros and cons. Not using suppression is also an option if the relay contact life isn't affected without it.

The many factors that determines which approach needs to be undertaken, include cost, contact life, packing etc.

The fundamental reason for spark suppression circuit designs is to minimize arcing and the noise generated when engaging relays and switches.

RC Design Considerations

Using DC supply with TVS Suppressor Diode:

Using Bidirectional TVS Diode

The MOV and TVS diodes conduct current when a threshold voltage is surpassed.

Normally, these diodes are connected parallel to the switch contact. Even at low voltages like 24 VAC, these devices are capable of working efficiently.

Moreover, they can also function well at higher inductance 120 VAC loads. Compared to TVS diodes, MOV devices have added capacitance.

Thus, when an MOV device is utilized, you must consider the capacitance to be used. The Hamlin application note describes this scenario better.

RC suppression had the edge because of limiting the switch contact voltage exactly during switch opening when the contact gap is small.

Furthermore, RC suppression can be implemented to lessen arcing and improve life in resistive loads.

On an RC suppression circuit, a capacitor and resistor network connected in series is mounted across the switch contact in a parallel connection.

Another option is to place the capacitor and resistor across the load.

While attaching the RC snubber across the switch contact is ideal, there is a huge disadvantage because this creates a current path to the load when the switch is open.

If the snubber is installed across the load, it eliminates the current. However, changes in the connections and source impedance can affect the efficiency of the arc suppression.

Applying RC Snubber Parallel with the Switch Contact

In the snubber, the values of the resistor and the capacitor are dependent on the requirement.

The chosen resistor must have a value high enough to restrict the capacitive discharge current when the contacts of the switch close. At the same time, it must be small enough to restrict the voltage when the switch contacts open.

If you choose a large capacitor value, it will surely decrease the voltage impact while the switch contacts opens.

But larger capacitor can be expensive and might cause higher capacitive discharge energy during the time the contacts of the switch close. This type applies to both DC and AC circuits.

Using RC (Snubber) Suppression Parallel with the Load

Ohm’s law is applied to choose the most appropriate resistor value for the arc suppression.

In the Ohm's law R = V/I, we apply the formula R = 0.5 (Vpk / ISW) and R = 0.3 (Vpk / ISW), where Vpk is the AC peak voltage (1.414 Vrms) and ISW is the rated switching current of the relay contact).

To decrease the contact degradation due to arcing, we have to make sure the R value is minimum. On the other hand, the R value must be increased to lessen the relay contact arcing due to the inrush current.

Determining the value of R in between these scenarios is the challenge.

You can begin with C = 0.1μF or 100 nF, when selecting the capacitor because this is standard value and thus cost-friendly. Depending on the performance examination of this capacitor, you can increase it until the capacitance is sufficient.

There are multiple methods to assess the performance of the chosen snubber values. Some can be performed just by calculation or simulation. However, the resistive and inductive features of the load may appear indefinite.

This is largely caused by the inductance of electromechanical loads that fluctuates when the components change positions.

It is a good practice to examine the voltage waveform across the switch contacts via an oscilloscope especially during contact opening. The snubber system should alleviate or at least minimize the arcing that happens when the contacts open and close.

The increasing voltage should not restart contact arcing. Furthermore, the maximum voltage across the capacitor in the snubber must not be more than it’s voltage rating.

Yet another way to find out if the snubber is working properly for a reed switch is to look at the switch contact gap and inspect the radiance of the light produced by the arc.

If there’s less light, that means the energy generating the arc is little and therefore warrants longer life.

The final and most precise method of examining the snubber’s performance is to conduct a life test.

Contact life is directly proportional to the number of switching cycles and not to the number of powered and unpowered hours.

It is advised to keep the maximum number of operations per second for life testing of arcing loads is around 5 to 50 operations per second.

This is around 5 to 50 Hz of maximum frequency. The number of tests you can carry out is reliant on the electrical load and the difference between convenience and precision.

When you need to find out the specifications of the components for the snubber, you must consider a few other things also apart from the described inspection of arc evaluation, highest capacitor voltage and life.

It is fundamental that when a switch contact is opened, current flows through the snubber circuit.

You must ensure that this current does not cause trouble to the snubber’s application. Moreover, it is essential to confirm that the power dissipation in the snubber’s resistor does not surpass its power rating.

One more thought is that an RC snubber circuit can be utilized in combination with a bidirectional TVS diode of MOV.

An RC snubber can be a highly efficient circuitry in limiting the initial voltage across the opening relay contacts, while the TVS or MOV may be a more efficient alternative for restricting peak surge voltages.

References:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RC-snubber.pdf

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/spark_suppression_compressed.pdf

https://m.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics/application_notes/reed_switches/littelfuse_magnetic_sensors_and_reed_switches_inductive_load_arc_suppression_application_note.pdf.pdf

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TexasEngineer
January 28, 2021 • 5 years ago #86475

I have an DC relay application that I am attempting to calculate RC values for…or would a TVS diode/RC combo be more effective?
110 – 125 Vdc relay coil with 1/3 HP capability (3.6 – 3.2 Amps).
I am a transformer and LC filter design engineer for large variable speed motor drives, so this is a bit outside of my usual area of expertise.
Any thoughts? More info required?

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SwagatamAdmin
January 29, 2021 • 5 years ago #86492

Hi, I think the above article has all the required information and calculations that can satisfy your query.

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Vee
March 14, 2023 • 3 years ago #140987

Hi Swagatham
I have a reed like switch with contacts which I connected in series to actuate a 24 volt AC solenoid to open a water line for topping up water in a small tank this reed switch is actuated by a float arrangement, the contacts are arcing when breaking especially sometimes when making contact and causing chatter to the solenoid which is very noisy
What can I do to suppress this arcing, can I use a non polar capacitor of 0.1 uf/ 200 V or a 0.22uf/200V capacitor across the contacts ?kindly help and let me know you can also email any circuit in this regard
Thanks & all the best & God bless
Kind regards
Vee

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SwagatamAdmin
March 14, 2023 • 3 years ago #140992

Hi Val,
I think a solenoid is quite a big load for a reed switch to handle. You should use the reed switch to operate a relay first and then use the relay contacts to operate the solenoid.

If you use a reed switch to operate a solenoid directly, the high current switching will cause the reed switch contacts to spark, melt and fuse with each other.

I have a video posted in the following article which uses a reed switch to switch ON a 12V relay

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/float-switch-water-level-controller/

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Leo
January 26, 2022 • 4 years ago #110592

This is a good and complex topic and very useful for a lot of people, so thank you for addressing this in a short and concise way. I have a few questions though, and I would appreciate very much if you could answer to clarify some things contained in the article:
The formulas above (developed by CC Bates: C = I2 /10, and Rc= Vo /[10I{1+(50/Vo)}]), don’t show the unit of measure for the C (F, uF?). Usually the unit used in formulas are in Farads, but to be sure, is that the case here as well?
For example, the calculated RC snubber values for a 9A motor (1.5HP single phase 120V) with a 2.1 Ohms winding come out to be 0.941 for the resistor and 8.1 for the Capacitor, which if it was Farads, that would be huge. Also, the voltage induced at the contacts opening comes out to be about 53.8V here. I suppose that is to be added on top of the source voltage for the total surge?
Thank you so much!

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SwagatamAdmin
January 27, 2022 • 4 years ago #110628

Thank you and glad you found the post useful.
In any electronic formula, the units will be SI units. For example resistance will be in Ohms, current will be in Amps, Capacitance will be in Farads, Potential difference in Volts.
So the capacitor will be in Farads.

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Jacques Heroux
July 3, 2022 • 4 years ago #131241

I have some questions about C.C.Bates formula about arcing across in this case PLC output contacts rated at 300mA
1- Is Rc the value of the resistance inside the RC network ?
2- Value of Rc using the formula is in ohms or k ohms ?
3- Is C the value of the capacitance inside the RC network ?
4- Value of C using the formula is in Micro, pico, nano or entire farad ?
5- should i use common unpolarized ceramic disc capacitor ?
6- What dielectric strenght voltage that capacitor should have for inductive load at 120Vac,with current
between 100- 300mA ?

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SwagatamAdmin
July 4, 2022 • 4 years ago #131273

1) Yes Rc is the value of the resistor in the RC network
2) It will be in Ohms
3) C is the capacitor inside the RC network
4) C will be in Farads
5) use non polar capacitor
6) Voltage value will depend on the voltage used across the relay contacts or the load wherever the RC is connected. 2 times this value

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Vince Loira
February 7, 2022 • 4 years ago #111894

Hello,
I’m not an EE so I need your help. I had a magnetic reed Sw. that was operating a resistive light strip in my desk keyboard drawer. It operated fine for years. When the light strip failed I replaced it with an LED strip.
The reed switch immediately welded closed. I purchased a small repay to operate the LED but now realize the coil of the relay may affect the reed switch in the same way as the LED PS. It is a 120 V circuit and the coil measures 2.5 K ohms. That’s all the circuit information I can give. Can you give me a MOV or R – C snubber spec that I can order?
Thanks

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SwagatamAdmin
February 8, 2022 • 4 years ago #111932

You can put any capacitor between 0.22uF/400V and 1uF/400V across the reed contacts, and see if that helps!

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Vince Loria
February 8, 2022 • 4 years ago #111965

Ok, just a cap across the reed switch. no R-C network or MOV needed, got it.
Thanks for you quick response, I appreciate it.

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SwagatamAdmin
February 8, 2022 • 4 years ago #111967

yes, according to me a single capacitor across the reed contacts should do the job!

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David Ecklein
March 19, 2022 • 4 years ago #116529

A zener snubber would not work by itself for an AC load. But if the zener were in the DC arms of a full-wave diode rectifier with the AC arms parallel to the load, the zener would see the spike as DC. The zener and full-wave rectifier approach appeals to me as the inductance of the load in my intended application will change. I would be interested if others use this approach – I do not see it published, at least on the internet.

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Justin Wagner
April 5, 2022 • 4 years ago #117998

Hello,
I am interested in using a snubber circuit as an Arc Suppression circuit for PoE applications. PoE voltage is 57vdc at 1 amp. When a network cable is inserted into the mating connector, the PSE senses the connection and sends PoE power after the contacts mate. No chance to arc during mating the connectors. Upon disconnecting the network cable, the PoE power is making an arc causing contact damage in the connectors. I want to add a switch to one of the connector lines that has a snubber circuit to reduce or eliminate this arcing. This line, being disconnected by the switch, before the connector contacts un-mate, will signal the PSE to shut off power to all lines. Would the snubber circuit be able to be simplified since I only see arcing during unmating?

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SwagatamAdmin
April 6, 2022 • 4 years ago #118022

Hello, thanks for the detailed explanation. According to me a single capacitor rated at may be 0.47uF/100V connected across the switch contacts should be enough to absorb the arcing and prevent it from happening. Let me know if this works for you!

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terrywells
April 9, 2022 • 4 years ago #118221

Hi i was wondering if you could help i am trying to figure out the best way to put a arc duppresion circiut on a bidirectional dc motor that is drastically shortening the contact life of the switches down to a few cycles what would be the best way to go about this motor voltage is around 14v….thank you

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SwagatamAdmin
April 9, 2022 • 4 years ago #118230

I guess you can try putting a 1uF/100V non polar PPC capacitor right across the contacts, and check if that helps! You can also put the same capacitor across the motor terminals.

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Dan LL
December 16, 2022 • 4 years ago #137544

I know I’m late to the party .. but the only arc suppression device you need on a DC motor is a large resistor (1K – 3300 ohms). The coil on a stepper motor is like an inductor when the motor stops. The character of an inductor is that its current flow cannot instantly change. to make that so .. the voltage on the coil can and does assume a voltage as “high as it needs to be” (a few hundred volts is not unusual) in order to sustain the flow until the field collapses. That’s where the spark comes from … the voltage jumps high enough to ionize air (to gain conductivity). give the current an easier path with a resistor, and the max voltage will be MUCH lower, and the spark will cease.

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Max
May 5, 2022 • 4 years ago #120164

When you say, in the opening paragragh, “During the process, the capacitor charges up faster than the contacts opening time which eventually avoids an arc from forming across the contacts”

I think what you meant is, “During the process, the capacitor charges up faster than the contacts opening time which PREVENTS an arc from eventually forming across the contacts”

I think I know what you meant, but by the way it is written, it sounds as though the capacitor doesn’t actually work at first, and only starts preventing the arc “eventually”.

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SwagatamAdmin
May 6, 2022 • 4 years ago #120205

Thanks for improving the structure of the sentence, I hope the readers will find it useful.

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Mussawar
June 5, 2022 • 4 years ago #123799

Hi,
Thanks for your all useful articles. I always learn a lot from these. I’ve some confusions in my mind regarding this article and also probably some diagrams are wrong labeled. Please take a look and clear me where I’m wrong (as I guess, I’m :-)).
1. Where is the best place to put RC snubber in AC circuits. Across the load or across the relay contact switch?
2. Diagram under “Using DC supply with TVS Suppressor Diode” heading, power supply source is shown AC instead of DC.
3. Two formula, “R = 0.5 (Vpk / ISW) and R = 0.3 (Vpk / ISW)”. What is difference between both? I mean one is using 0.3 and the other is using 0.5 in it.
4. What is the voltage of AC source used in these diagrams. (or it is not necessary to show?)
5. In diagram under “Using DC supply with TVS Suppressor Diode” heading, diode is connected to parallel of load while context says, “Normally, these diodes are parallelly connected to the switch contact”. So where is the right place to connect at ? parallel to switch or parallel to load?
6. The diagram under “Applying RC Snubber Parallel with the Switch Contact” heading, have a TVS diode instead of RC.
Regards.

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SwagatamAdmin
June 5, 2022 • 4 years ago #123818

Hi, thanks for the useful questions. First of all I would like to say that I am not an expert in this subject, all the data were contributed by another author by referring from external sources (links given at the bottom of the article)
1) I think the best place to connect an RC snubber is across the load.
2) Yes, all the diagrams are wrongly shown with an AC input signal, they all should be DC symbols. Even the original article wrongly shows the AC symbol in their diagrams:
https://m.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics/application_notes/reed_switches/littelfuse_magnetic_sensors_and_reed_switches_inductive_load_arc_suppression_application_note.pdf.pdf
3) I am not sure about the formulas, I have not yet investigated them deeply.
4) The AC or DC inputs can be of any value. And depending on the input voltage specs the relay contact rating and the snubber rating must be dimensioned accordingly.
5) For TVS diodes it must be parallel to the contacts according to me, but it can be also connected across the load which will be less effective than connecting across the contacts.
6) That’s right, I will check the article and do the necessary corrections soon, if the original allows me to do this.

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jebnotbush
August 1, 2022 • 4 years ago #131966

I’m trying to use an electric charcoal starter (house current, 120VAC) that trips the circuit breaker every time I use it. I’m thinking (hoping) that the crazy-fast inrush current when I plug in the starter is what trips the breaker. And I’m thinking (again hoping) that a simple RC network would slow down the current ramp-up so that it would not trip the breaker. This is for my patio grill.
Am I on the right track? If so, is there a device I could buy or build to do this?

Thanks.

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SwagatamAdmin
August 1, 2022 • 4 years ago #131971

I don’t think an RC snubber would be able to restrict such high current inrush. I would rather suggest using a triac based light dimmer circuit in series with the starter. Initially keep the light dimmer control at 50%, and switch ON the starter and then slowly increase the light dimmer control to 100%.

220V Light Dimmer and Ceiling fan Regulator Circuit

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Dan LL
December 16, 2022 • 4 years ago #137528

Hey Swagatam. I just stumbled across your site today while looking for something.
At some point you made the schematic for an underground wire locater, and that’s just what I need. THe wire is open on one end and not powered in any way , but I can’t find the other end. Its likely about 100 feet long (this is 30 volt lighting cable) and I need to trace it along the ground its about 6 inches underground. Can you tell me where to find the non-fuzzy schematic / instructions for that?

I am also a BSEE (a 2 way radio engineer) , but have been chasing money a different way for a few years. I love projects still, and will build some of yours.

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SwagatamAdmin
December 16, 2022 • 4 years ago #137538

Thanks Dan for visiting this site!
I tried to find the mentioned circuit in this blog, but unfortunately I don’t think it is still available or maybe it was deleted long back. The only related circuit which I could find is the following one:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/stud-finder-circuit-find-hidden-metals-inside-walls/

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Mitul
March 12, 2023 • 3 years ago #140962

Hi Swagatam,

I am using 24 VAC relay for controlling heate in one of my machine and we are giving 230VAC (Current = 18 A) to heater through the relay. As per your post there is spark while opening of contact and it will create carbon on relay contacts and it will stop working after some time.

Could you please suggest the value of R and C to be used in RC snubber circuit.

Thanks in advance.

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SwagatamAdmin
March 13, 2023 • 3 years ago #140970

Hi Mitul,
I have provided the formula in the article which you can use to easily calculate the values. Alternatively you can try the values randomly for example use a 100 ohm resistor and a 0.1uF/200 V capacitor. Keep experimenting until the spark becomes minimal

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Mitul
March 13, 2023 • 3 years ago #140974

Means I have to increase the value of resistance and capacitor if 100 ohm and 0.1uf/200v is not able to reduce the spark, right?

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SwagatamAdmin
March 13, 2023 • 3 years ago #140977

You must try reducing the resistor value or increasing the capacitor value, or try both.

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Shemin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142201

I have a peculiar problem with a PCB. This has an esp12f attached to two relays. The PCB has ground and working fine except when I connect a ceiling fan through a speed regulator. When I do that, I get abrupt restarts of esp12f. I have an RC snubber with CB221 capacitor and 390ohm resitance across the load which has improved the stability of the system. Now the restarts are heavily reduced but still there. How should I try changing the snubber to completetly eliminate this?

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SwagatamAdmin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142206

You can try increasing the value of the snubber capacitor to 1 uF. Additionally you can also add decoupling components right across supply pins of the ESP12F. You can add a 12V zener diode, a a 1N4148 diode, a 100uF capacitor, and a 0.1uF capacitor

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Shemin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142210

I already have a 1000uf capacitor across power pins of esp12f. I was using 0.4uf capcitance. Since I didnt have 1uf, i will try with 0.68uf now.

Also where should I add zener diode and the rest? I am using a 5v power supply which supplies to relays directly and a part is stepped down using ASM117 module for esp12f

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SwagatamAdmin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142212

The zener diode and the 1N4148 diode will need to be connected right across the supply pins of the ESP IC. Cathodes will go to the positive supply pin and the anodes will go to the negative or the ground supply pin of the IC. If possible connect two 0.68uF in parallel across the relay coils. Additionally you AC dimmer circuit might also need RF suppressors in the form of an RF choke and a 0.1uF/400V capacitor.

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Shemin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142214

Ok will try all these and update.

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Shemin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142217

I couldn’t implement the changes with these changes but I found one more thing which may help us. If I use different AC lines/phases to power the esp12f 5v power supply and the ceiling fan power supply, then there is no such problems. But I cann’t do that as I need th esp12f and fan to work with my inverter backed up line. any ideas why this happens.

also snubber with 0.68uf across load is same as 0.4uf. now i will try 1.5uf

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SwagatamAdmin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142219

It mostly happens due to RF voltage spikes that can upset or rattle a sensitive electronic circuitry or an IC. This is mostly solved by adding capacitors and zener diodes across the supply pins of the IC, or by adding an adequate snubber across the RF source.
AC triac based dimmer circuits emit a lot of RF interference, that could be also one of the reasons.

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Shemin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142220

I am using Legrand Myrius Fan step regulator 100 which should not be triac based. I already have 1000uf capacitor across power pins. now i will add 3.3v zener diode. Also increase snubber capacitance to 1.5uf. And lets see what happens. I am using 330ohm as resistor for snubber, should i change it?

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SwagatamAdmin
May 2, 2023 • 3 years ago #142221

OK, in that case it could be the switch ON back EMF spike caused by the fan’s internal winding. Adding a zener diode and also a 1N4148 diode are very important. Add these across the supply terminals of the IC. Make sure to add a 100 ohm resistor also in series with the positive supply of the IC this will prevent loading of the zener diode and also help to restrict the Rf spike into the IC.

If you have a reset pin or some other sensitive input pin for the IC try adding decoupling to these pins also.

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Shemin
May 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #142333

Hi there, sorry for late update but i had to order the parts which only got here yesterday. Is the 100 ohm resistor mandatory. i am asking bcos i may have to cut the a pcb trace to add it in series with positive supply. My RS pin is already connected to 3.3v through 10k resistor. should i add decoupling capacitors to this?

Also should I connect one of the snubber terminal to the output of the speed regulator or input? Right now I hav connected it to input and the other terminal I have connected to neutral.

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SwagatamAdmin
May 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #142337

Yes, you should add the 100 ohm resistor which will ensure better RF regulation. You can also connect a 0.1uF capacitor between the RS pin and ground.

I cannot understand the input/output snubber connections that you are referring to, I will have to see the schematic to understand it.

You said your speed regulator was DC, right? But since you are using the word Neutral, I am confused, is the regulator and the FAN AC operated?

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Shemin
May 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #142353

No my ceiling fan as well as speed regulator is AC.

I have been adviced to connect the snubber across the load which is the fan and so I have connected one terminal of the snubber to the speed regulator terminal where the AC supply is given. To connect the snubber parallel to the load, I have connected the second terminal to neutral line which is also where th fans return line ends. I hope i am able to explain this.

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SwagatamAdmin
May 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #142366

You can connect the snubber across the load, meaning right across the load terminals. However protecting the IC using decoupling circuit is also very important to safeguard it from the RF spikes. Since your dimmer is an AC dimmer, make sure it has an RF suppressor using an LC network internally. If LC network is not present then your dimmer will create a huge amount RF noise which can disturb any electronic circuit.
You must use a zener diode, 1N4148 diode, a capacitor all in parallel right across the supply terminals of the IC, and also feed the positive supply to the IC through a 100 ohm resistor.
See if these measures help, otherwise it can be a difficult situation to handle.

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Shemin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142564

Actually I had been doing some tests without adding the zener, 1n4148. I was able to reduce this issue to just 0.5% of total operations with just the snubber of your design which i was connecting across the inputs of 5v power supply. Today i tried to increase the capacitance of decoupling capacitor of esp8266 but after that the problem came back. I replaced with old capacitor but still problem persists. I also noticed that the resistor(390ohm) of the snubber is getting very hot which was not like before. what could be happening? is the snubber gone bad?

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SwagatamAdmin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142566

The decoupling capacitors must be two parallel capacitors, one around 100uF and another around 0.1uF. Where and how did you connect the 390 ohm, I will have to see the schematic to understand the issue. According to me the zener diode must be included and also a 50 or 100 ohm resistor in series with the positive supply of the IC.

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Shemin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142567

by decoupling capacitor, I meant the 1000uf capacitor which is cannected across 3.3v and gnd of esp12f. It is different from snubber.

The snubber circuit I have been using is of RC type with a varistor added. The capacitor is CBB684J400V and resistor is 390 ohm. I have connected this across the input of the 5v power supply that powers the esp8266 through an asm117 module.

see circuit tsCrSosKHeRO

SwagatamAdmin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142570

I don’t think an RC snubber across a 220V MOV is going to help you to eliminate switch ON spikes. The 1000uF is fine but make sure to connect a 0.1uF capacitor also along with a zener diode. You can connect another 1000uF at the input side of the 3.3 V regulator.
The zener helps to short circuit and neutralize the reverse RF spikes across any IC or circuit.

Shemin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142571

I will add the zener and In4148 tomorrow. Should i remove MOV from the snubber?
should i increase the capcitance of snubber?

I followed this schematics
relay contact snubber module

SwagatamAdmin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142573

This snubber is supposed to be connected across a relay contact, not across the 220V AC input.

Shemin
May 15, 2023 • 3 years ago #142575

do you mean snubber is to connected across relay coils which is 5v dc? But in the blog, it is connected across AC

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