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Low Battery and Overload Protection Circuit for Inverters

Last Updated on December 18, 2024 by Swagatam 254 Comments

A very simple low battery cut-off and overload protection circuit has been explained here.

Table of Contents
  • How it Works
    • Parts List
  • Formulas and Calculations
  • Inverter Overload Cut-OFF using Opamp
    • How it Works
    • Formulas and Calculations

The figure shows a very simple circuit set up which performs the function of an overload sensor and also as an under voltage detector.

In both the cases the circuit trips the relay for protecting the output under the above conditions.

How it Works

Transistor T1 is wired as a current sensor, where the resistor R1 forms the current to voltage converter.

The battery voltage has to pass through R1 before reaching the load at the output and therefore the current passing through it is proportionately transformed into voltage across it.

This voltage when crosses the 0.6V mark, triggers T1 into conduction.

The conduction of T1 grounds the base of T2 which gets immediately switched Off. The relay is also consequently switched OFF and so is the load.

T1 thus takes care of the over load and short circuit conditions.

Transistor T2 has been introduced for responding to T1's actions and also for detecting low voltage conditions.

When the battery voltage falls beyond a certain low voltage threshold, the base current of T2 becomes sufficiently low such that it's no longer able to hold the relay into conduction and switches it OFF and also the load.

Low Battery and Overload Protection Circuit for Inverters

The"LOAD" terminals in the above diagram is supposed to be connected with the inverter +/- supply terminals.

This implies that the battery current from the right side has to pass through R1 before reaching the inverter, enabling the sensing circuit around R1 to sense a possible over current or overload situation.

CORRECTION:

The above shown circuit will not initiate unless the relay is actuated manually through a push switch as shown below:

Low Battery and Overload Protection Circuit for Inverters with push button start

Parts List

  • R1 = 0.6/Trip Current
  • R2 = 100 Ohms,
  • R3 =10k
  • R4 = 100K,
  • P1 = 10K PRESET
  • C1 = 100uF/25V
  • T1, T2 = BC547,
  • Diodes = 1N4148
  • Relay = As per the specs of the requirement.

Formulas and Calculations

Low Battery Cut-off Threshold

The low battery sensing is handled by R3 and P1 which forms a potential divider to set the base voltage of the relay driver transistor (T2). When the battery voltage drops below a set threshold the voltage at the base of T2 falls below Vbe (0.6V–0.7V) turning OFF the relay and disconnecting the load.

Formula for Threshold Voltage:

Vth = Vbat * (P1 / (P1 + R3))

  • Where:
  • Vth = Base threshold voltage (0.6V–0.7V)
  • Vbat = Battery voltage
  • P1 = Adjustable potentiometer resistance
  • R3 = Fixed resistor

To calculate the battery voltage cut-off level:

Rearrange for Vbat:

Vbat = Vth * (P1 + R3) / P1

Overload/Overcurrent Sensing

Overcurrent protection is implemented using R1 which is placed between the base and emitter of transistor T1.

As the load current increases, the voltage drop across R1 rises. When the voltage across R1 reaches the Vbe of T1 (typically 0.6V–0.7V) T1 starts conducting and shunts the base current of T2 turning it OFF.

Formula for Overcurrent Trip Current:

Itrip = Vbe / R1

  • Where:
  • Itrip = Overcurrent trip current
  • Vbe = Base-emitter threshold voltage of T1 (0.6V–0.7V)
  • R1 = Resistor sensing the overcurrent

Base Current Limiting Resistor (R2)

Resistor R2 (optional) limits the base current for T1 to prevent excessive current through its base-emitter junction.

Formula for Base Resistor (if used):

R2 = (Vbat - Vbe) / Ib

  • Where:
  • Ib = Required base current for T1
  • Vbat = Battery voltage
  • Vbe = Base-emitter voltage of T1

For small signal transistors (e.g., BC547) Ib can be estimated as Iload / hFE where hFE is the DC current gain.

Inverter Overload Cut-OFF using Opamp

In the above paragraphs I have explained a very simple concept of inverter overload cut-off using only transistors.

However a cut off system using only transistors cannot be very accurate and sharp.

In order to get a precision inverter overload and short circuit cut off circuit the use of an opamp based design becomes imperative.

The following diagram shows a simple battery overload controller circuit using a single opamp 741 and a relay driver stage.

Inverter Overload Cut-OFF circuit

How it Works

The opamp is configured as a simple comparator circuit. he inverting input of the opamp is clamped at a fixed 0.6 V using a 1N4148 diode.

The non-inverting input of the op amp is connected with the negative line of the circuit through a over-current sensor resistor Rx.

Due to inverter overload or short circuit or over current conditions, a voltage drop develops across the resistor Rx which can exceed the 0.6V as per the calculated value of the RX, and cause the non-inverting input of the opamp potential to go higher then its inverter 0.6V potential.

This causes the op amp output to turn high activating the transistors and tripping the relay.

When power is first switched ON, and assuming the inverter is working normally without an overload, the voltage developed across RX is minimal, which keeps the pin3 potential of the opamp the opamp lower than the pin2 potential.

This allows the output of the opamp to be low ensuring that the transistor is switched OFF, and relay contacts stays at the N/C point.

Due to this the 12V is able to reach the inverter and operate it normally.

However, as soon as an overload or over current happens at the inverter side, a large amount of current passes through the RX resistor, causing a voltage drop to develop across pin3 of the IC.

When this voltage drop exceeds the 0.6V reference level of the pin2 of the IC, the output of the op amp goes high, causing the transistor to switch ON and trigger the relay.

The relay contacts now shift from N/C to N/O switching of power to the inverter and thereby averting the short circuit or overload conditions.

The N/O contact can be seen attached with the base of the relay driver transistor, which ensures that as soon as the an overload is detected the relay contact quickly latches the transistor, switching the power permanently off for the inverter.

The power can be restored only by disconnecting the 12 V battery input, but before that it must be ensured that the short circuit or the over load condition is appropriately removed from the inverter side.

Formulas and Calculations

Key Parameters

  • RX: Current sensing resistor (ohms)
  • Vref: Reference voltage at the inverting input (-) of IC741
  • Itrip: Overcurrent trip current (amperes)
  • Vdrop: Voltage drop across RX at trip current

Formulas

Voltage Drop Across RX:

Vdrop = Itrip * RX

  • Where:
  • Itrip = Overcurrent trip point (A)
  • RX = Current sensing resistor (ohms)

Reference Voltage (Vref):

The voltage at the non-inverting input (+) of IC741 is set using a resistor divider or Zener diode (if used). For proper cutoff:

Vref ≈ Vdrop

Choosing RX (Sensing Resistor):

To calculate the value of RX for a given trip current:

RX = Vref / Itrip

  • Where:
  • Vref = Reference voltage (V)
  • Itrip = Desired trip current (A)

Power Dissipation in RX:

The sensing resistor RX must handle the power dissipated during operation.

We will Use:

P = Itrip2 * RX

  • Where:
  • P = Power dissipation in RX (W)

Choose RX with a power rating higher than P for safe operation.

Example Calculation

Let’s assume:

Itrip = 10A (trip current)

Vref = 0.7V (reference voltage determined by the op-amp threshold)

Step 1: Calculate RX

RX = Vref / Itrip = 0.7 / 10 = 0.07 ohms

Step 2: Power Dissipation in RX

P = Itrip2 * RX = 102 * 0.07 = 7W

Choose a 0.07-ohm 10W resistor for RX to ensure safe operation.

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Asikpo Okon
September 12, 2025 • 11 months ago #185203

pls sir can help with your email or link I can use and send an image to, I have this variable power supply circuit but I want you to help preview it if there’s any error. before implement the circuit or budget for it

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SwagatamAdmin
September 12, 2025 • 11 months ago #185206

Hi Okon, please upload it to your google drive and provide the “shared” link to me and I will check it out.
But please, for a power supply related article, please post it under a power supply related article…

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abdulkareem
April 3, 2025 • 1 year ago #171393

sir how are you
I make construction inverter using sg3525 mosfet 4 ups transformer I tested output 473v AC
how decrease. voltage to 220

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SwagatamAdmin
April 3, 2025 • 1 year ago #171397

Abdulkareem,
It means, the transformer winding ratio is not suitable for 220V AC output, please change the secondary number of turns to get 250V, instead of such high value…

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Hillary
February 4, 2025 • 2 years ago #168280

Good day sir, thank you for all your good works here. You have really helped so many especially me. More grease to your elbow.
I made an automatic low battery cut off circuit but it comes back on immediately the battery voltage increases above the cutoff level. Please help me with a circuit that will keep the Auto low battery cut off inactive until a preset button is pressed

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SwagatamAdmin
February 4, 2025 • 2 years ago #168282

You are welcome Hillary,
In your existing circuit please connect a high value resistor between 10k and 100k, between the N/C contact of the relay and the base of the relay driver transistor. Next, attach a push-button between emitter/collector of the transistor for the resetting the action.

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Hillary
February 4, 2025 • 2 years ago #168284

I have done it but when an inductive load is connected to the inverter, the relay flickers

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SwagatamAdmin
February 4, 2025 • 2 years ago #168286

To control relay flickering, just connect a 220uF or a 470uF capacitor across the relay coil, make sure to connect it with correct polarity.

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Murat bayındır
December 28, 2024 • 2 years ago #167594

Düşük voltaj kesme devresinde role yerine paralel bağlı mosfetler kullanılabilir mi teşekkür ederim.

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Hillary
December 18, 2024 • 2 years ago #167419

Good day sir, I made the battery low cut off and it works fine but then, when the circuit is activated at 10.5v, it automatically deactivates itself when the voltage goes back to 10.7v and this continues. So I want to ask if there is any other circuit to add to keep it activated until a reset button is pressed?

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SwagatamAdmin
December 18, 2024 • 2 years ago #167423

Hillary, which circuit are you using? It can be be latched using an SCR stage. Let me know which circuit are you using, I will try to modify it accordingly.

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Hillary
December 18, 2024 • 2 years ago #167426

I am using Opamp circuit

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SwagatamAdmin
December 18, 2024 • 2 years ago #167427

The opamp circuit is not a low battery cut off circuit, it is an overcurrent/overload cut-off circuit, and it has a latching feature already.

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Ibrahim musa wakili
December 3, 2024 • 2 years ago #166483

how can I determine the Rx

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SwagatamAdmin
December 3, 2024 • 2 years ago #166501

RX = 0.7 / Maximum inverter current limit

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chuks
July 12, 2024 • 2 years ago #154434

how do i calculate the over load current of 1KVA inverter

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SwagatamAdmin
July 13, 2024 • 2 years ago #154543

Simply divide 1kva (1000 watts approx) with your battery voltage.

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Hillary
April 9, 2024 • 2 years ago #151441

Good evening sir, please what value of shunt resistor can be used for 1000w inverter

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SwagatamAdmin
April 9, 2024 • 2 years ago #151448

Hi Hillary, Please provide the inverter operating voltage value.

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Hillary
December 18, 2024 • 2 years ago #167418

The battery voltage is 12v

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Yahya
December 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #147739

Hello, I have a question: Does the second circuit work as a short circuit protection at any point in the inverter?

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SwagatamAdmin
December 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #147740

Yes, it will work as a short circuit and overload cut off circuit.

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Raed
November 21, 2023 • 3 years ago #147218

Is it possible to use N-MOS instead of BC547 transistor?

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SwagatamAdmin
November 21, 2023 • 3 years ago #147221

Sorry, no, only NPN BJTs are recommended.

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Segun
October 23, 2023 • 3 years ago #146424

Please what is the RX resistor

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SwagatamAdmin
October 23, 2023 • 3 years ago #146425

RX = 0.7 / Max over load current

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Michael Ojobi
October 6, 2023 • 3 years ago #145909

I have not yet work on the circuit but, I understand it very well sir. Sir! Is there a way that I use same transformer for both inverter and charger?

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SwagatamAdmin
October 6, 2023 • 3 years ago #145913

I wouldn’t recommend using a single transformer for both charging and the inverter as that can make the configuration too messy and difficult to optimize. Still, if you are willing to give it a try you can consider the following article:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/single-transformer-inverterchargerchang/

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Michael Ojobi
October 6, 2023 • 3 years ago #145885

Thank you so much sir, I love that circuit that have low voltage protection and charger, it will be very good for inverter. Thanks sir

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Michael
October 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #145998

Hello sir, if I use small transformer 220v to 12v for bridging diode to charger oscillation and use 30ahs relay for the charging output, will I have high current to charge battery?

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SwagatamAdmin
October 8, 2023 • 3 years ago #146010

The output current depends on the transformer current, so the transformer current must be according to the battery requirements.

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SwagatamAdmin
October 6, 2023 • 3 years ago #145902

You are welcome Michael, I hope you are able to build it successfully.

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Michael Ojobi
October 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #145847

Okay sir, but how can I get accurate circuit for low voltage protection and over load protection

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SwagatamAdmin
October 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #145848

Michael, You can try the second design from the following article. Just make sure to make two changes. 1) Swap the pin2 and pin3 with each other. 2) Replace the “charging voltage input” with Inverter supply +/- inputs.
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-make-simple-low-battery-voltage/

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Michael Ojobi
October 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #145845

Yes, the one I used was that op amp circuit but ic is lm358 which didn’t cut off voltage at 10.4v,

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SwagatamAdmin
October 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #145846

The op amp circuit is an overload cut off circuit, it is not a low voltage cut off circuit.

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Michael Ojobi
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145810

Thank you for the clarification, I have did it in project board but didn’t cut off when the battery is low at 10.4v

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SwagatamAdmin
October 5, 2023 • 3 years ago #145840

The transistor circuit cannot be very accurate, if you need more accuracy you may have to use an op amp circuit.

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Michael Ojobi
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145793

But what I mean before is, the ic lm358 have two output at pin 1 and pin 7, so it’s only one section I will use?

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SwagatamAdmin
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145795

Yes that is correct, you will have to use only one op amp among the two!

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Michael Ojobi
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145792

Okay, thank you sir

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Michael Ojobi
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145784

Thanks for your quick response sir, but
the lm358 which you said I should how dual output, is it one of the output I need? Please help me with the circuit sir

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SwagatamAdmin
October 4, 2023 • 3 years ago #145789

Sorry, I cannot understand your question, what is the need of a dual output? the 741 circuit uses a relay for the cut off.

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Michael
October 3, 2023 • 3 years ago #145739

Can I use same circuit for 24v inverter

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SwagatamAdmin
October 3, 2023 • 3 years ago #145744

Yes, but replace the relay with a 24V relay and for the op amp circuit replace the 741 with LM358 op amp.

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Sajith Kariyapperuma
October 14, 2022 • 4 years ago #133940

i’m trying out Your Overload Protector Circuit

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Sajith Kariyapperuma
October 14, 2022 • 4 years ago #133939

I need to use the RX for 12V 30Amp Battery. So What should be the RX Value. My inverter is 1000W

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SwagatamAdmin
October 14, 2022 • 4 years ago #133942

A 12V 30 Ah battery cannot be used for a 12V 1000 watt inverter, because the recommended discharge rate of your 30 Ah battery is only 3 to 5 amp which is negligibly small for a 1000 watt inverter

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sajith Kariyapperuma
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133953

Thanks. I going to use 120A battery according to the formula which you have given to calculate RX value. So then what will be the RX value that i should use

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SwagatamAdmin
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133954

The maximum recommended discharge rate of a lead battery is around 15% of its Ah rating. So 15% of 120 will be 18 amps.
Now 18 x 12V = 216 watts. So your inverter can produce a maximum of 216 watts, not 1000 watts.

For 18 amp current, the RX value will be

RX = 0.7 / 18 = 0.038 ohms
power will be 0.7 x 18 = 12.6 watts or 15 watts.

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sajith Kariyapperuma
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133956

Thanks for your quick reply.
SO If I want to make a 1000W inverter what kind of battery should I use.
if as you say 120Amp battery can produce 216watts for thousand watts do i need to select a battery around 120Amp X 5 times.

in that case i there are UPS for computers 1200Kva. they use only 12v 7Amp X 2 batteries only. I know that the time duration will be max 15 to 20 minutes.

My target is to use this in my home. so what should I do as you think…..

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SwagatamAdmin
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133960

That’s correct! If you want a long life for your lead acid battery then you must not discharge it beyond 15% of its Ah rating. Alternatively you can increase the voltage rating of the battery and the inverter to get proportionately higher power output.

If you discharge the battery at 100% of its Ah rating then the battery will get destroyed very soon, unless the battery is a Li-Ion battery.

If you use a 120 Ah battery then to get 1000 watts you must discharge the battery at 1000 / 12 = 84 amps rate, which will destroy the battery after a few charge discharge cycles.

You will need a 12V 800 Ah battery for operating 1000 watt load for 5 hours or more.

By the way you can try 120 Ah battery and check the results.

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sajith Kariyapperuma
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133964

Thank You. I will try it with by increasing battery to 800Ah.
will inform you the results if I succeed..

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SwagatamAdmin
October 15, 2022 • 4 years ago #133965

Sure, no problem!

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Prabhat Sharma
February 14, 2022 • 5 years ago #112661

Please clear the working of this circuit on No load , on load with low current and On over current(short circuit).

Also What is the use of D1 and R4?

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SwagatamAdmin
February 14, 2022 • 5 years ago #112667

On no load and low current the relay will be ON normally. Over current situation is explained in the article. D1 is to make T2 respond only to genuine signals, to make its operation more reliable. R4 is actually not required, you can remove it.

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yusuf
February 10, 2022 • 5 years ago #112225

in the first circuit,if the load current is say 10amp what will be the wire thickness at the load and battery side.

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SwagatamAdmin
February 10, 2022 • 5 years ago #112234

You can use a wire with 2 to 3 mm thick copper core

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j k barik
February 7, 2022 • 5 years ago #111866

Hello Swagatam
thanks for reply.
I am thinking the same to do. I will identify the micro-cont overload input pin (may be 4 / 5 in 16F72 for EB700)
and put a 30amp fuse.

thanks

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SwagatamAdmin
February 7, 2022 • 5 years ago #111870

No Probem JK, hope it works for you!

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J K BARIK
February 6, 2022 • 5 years ago #111759

Hello swagatam
I am already using solar panel at home using 1100VA inverter. I try to include my fridge which is 200watts. But the starting current is high. It trips at overload. Can I by pass overload and put a 30amp fuse for protection?
Hope you fine

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SwagatamAdmin
February 7, 2022 • 5 years ago #111848

Hello JK, if your fridge is in a good condition and working correctly then you can easily bypass the overload controller with a calculated fuse. It is perfectly fine to do so.

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Sead
October 18, 2021 • 5 years ago #101774

Hello,
You explained this great. Just how do I determine this RX resistor if the inverter is a maximum of 200w, I would like to put a limiter at 160w, over to turn off the relay or how do you think it should?
I would ask you for help. BR

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SwagatamAdmin
October 18, 2021 • 5 years ago #101792

Hello, and glad you found the idea helpful. Rx in the last diagram can be determined using the following formula:

RX = 0.6 / Max current

For 160 watt, you can divide it with the supply voltage to get the Max current value.

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Ordu Prudence
August 12, 2022 • 4 years ago #132275

Hello sir
Thanks for this circuit
I’ve been searching for this kind of circuit for long
My question is this:
The Rx resistor which is calculated using 0.6/max current is it in ohmns or kilo-ohomns

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SwagatamAdmin
August 12, 2022 • 4 years ago #132285

Hello Ordu,
The RX value will be in Ohms

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Sead
October 19, 2021 • 5 years ago #101881

In fact, I’m running some shielded from deep discharge, but so that the device at 10.5V is turned off and does not turn on until it is reset by removing the terminal or on the main switch. Overload protection is not really necessary but it may not matter

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SwagatamAdmin
October 19, 2021 • 5 years ago #101903

It is given in the first two diagrams of the following article

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/sg3525-pure-sinewave-inverter-circuit/

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Sead
October 19, 2021 • 5 years ago #101870

Hello ,
Thanks for the quick answer . Can only the power supply for the SG3525 be interrupted via a relay so that the whole plus does not go through the relay?

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SwagatamAdmin
October 19, 2021 • 5 years ago #101882

Hello, yes it possible, you can refer to the following articles to learn more about it:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/dc-to-dc-converter-circuits-using-sg3524-buck-boost-designs/

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/inverter-circuit-with-feedback-control/

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/lm3524-datasheet-pinout-function-how-to-use/

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eniola
August 27, 2021 • 5 years ago #95718

great idea sir, may the lord increase you in wisdom. sir, the second circuit i want to connect it with my 3000w inverter and my rx value after calculated is 0.007 i.e im using 12v battery and voltage cutoff for 1000w load.i want to ask for the resistor value in ohms and how many in parallel

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SwagatamAdmin
August 28, 2021 • 5 years ago #95756

Thank you eniola, the formula is 0.6/max current limit, so please calculate it as per your inverter specifications

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Emmanuel
May 28, 2021 • 5 years ago #90595

Thank you for this. Please how would you calculate R1

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SwagatamAdmin
May 28, 2021 • 5 years ago #90597

R1 is the sensing resistor. It can be calculated using the formula
R1 = 0.6 / Max current

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SAJI TR
May 24, 2021 • 5 years ago #90524

Ic741 can be good but what should be the value of Rx resistance in a500watts 12 volts operated inverter

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SwagatamAdmin
May 24, 2021 • 5 years ago #90528

RX = 0.6 / max current limit

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Emmanuel
May 28, 2021 • 5 years ago #90596

That is R1 is will have a resistance of a fuse resistor?

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Joshua
April 18, 2021 • 5 years ago #88552

What’s the exact values of R1 for 12v and 24v batteries?

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SwagatamAdmin
April 18, 2021 • 5 years ago #88557

R1 will depend on the load current, not the voltage.

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Roger Versteeg
April 13, 2021 • 5 years ago #88422

I would like to use the circuit here to cut off the battery power when the 12V goes too low and then automatically turn it back on when it is okay. However, it looks like it won’t turn back on unless you press the button. How do I avoid that button? I looked at your low battery indicator circuit (https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-make-simple-low-battery-voltage/) but that is unclear right now.

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SwagatamAdmin
April 13, 2021 • 5 years ago #88432

The second and the last circuits will do automatic switch ON and switch OFF for charging the battery

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Daniel
April 3, 2021 • 5 years ago #88226

Ok I understand but I really like to know if this simple circuit is for 12volt only cause I am wondering if this circuit is sufficient to manage up to the high amp draw on the battery cause inverter need alot of amperage to convert

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SwagatamAdmin
April 3, 2021 • 5 years ago #88233

This circuit can be upgraded to any desired limits by changing the transistor and the relay, and the resistor values accordingly.

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Mark Rankin
December 23, 2020 • 6 years ago #85560

Hello,

Do low battery cutoff circuits wear out?

I have a 4000 watt inverter and I set the low battery cutoff to energize at 22 volts. This has worked well for 12 years. Lately, the cut off activates when any heavy load kicks in (water pump, refrigerator) even when the battery is fully charged.

I am trying to figure out if it’s a battery problem or an inverter problem.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Mark Rankin

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SwagatamAdmin
December 23, 2020 • 6 years ago #85565

Hi, no they don’t, because cut off circuits are solid-state circuits, which will hardly ever blow, burn or degrade under normal conditions.
In your case it could be a battery problem which may be unable to provide the initial high current due to aging or internal degradation, causing the voltage to drop severely below the lower cut-off threshold.

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Mark Rankin
December 23, 2020 • 6 years ago #85571

Thank you so much for this, Swagatam
About a month ago I installed a new 1236 amp-hour 24-volt battery (made for solar systems) by GB battery (a forklift battery company). It worked fine for about a month but I have my concerns now.
The battery seems to go through the inverter’s “3 stage” charge cycles very fast.
When the battery is at the “top” of a freshly charged cycle and it gets an inrush demand for amperage (blowing the low battery cut off) the voltage will drop way down to below 23 volts after the incident.
I have been watching my specific gravity which reads (with no load on it) 1.25 per cell when the battery is at the top of the charge.
Now I am concerned that this battery (even though they say it is made for solar) requires a different charging system.
It’s like, over the past month of usage, the battery has slowly been depleted even though the charge cycle on the inverter says it’s complete.
I will be calling the company in the morning. If any of this makes sense I would appreciate your input.

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SwagatamAdmin
December 23, 2020 • 6 years ago #85574

You are most welcome Mark,
Now it seems there’s actually nothing wrong with the working of the various systems in your controller, and neither the battery.

The 3 step charger is designed to implement a fast charging on the battery, and for this initially during the first step it has to force a relatively high amount of current into the battery, which is readily accepted by the battery inducing the high surge current. As the battery charges, the charger reduce the current during the subsequent 2nd and the 3rd steps.

Therefore during the initial 1st step, the surge may be causing a steep drop in the charger voltage and tripping the low cut off.
To remedy the situation you can either adjust the 1st stage charging current to a lower level, or add some sort of delay feature to the low cut off, so that it doesn’t react to the initial momentary surge.

However, if your battery is showing depletion, that means its condition is deteriorating, perhaps due to the high current charging, in that case it would be better to change the 3 step charger into a regular 1 step charger which will enable a moderately slow charging and ensure longer life for the battery and also stop the low voltage cut off tripping

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Mark Rankin
December 24, 2020 • 6 years ago #85586

I think I found the problem!!!

I did a gravity test on all twelve cells tonight, this battery is only two months old. To my surprise, I found one cell that did not even float the hydrometer indicator, it read 0 volts on the multimeter. Not sure how I missed this before. I am contacting the company about a replacement cell (hopefully under warranty) this week.

I just wanted to pass on the good news.
Thanks again, Swagatam!

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SwagatamAdmin
December 24, 2020 • 6 years ago #85591

Sounds great, Glad you could find the fault so quickly!

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Mark
December 23, 2020 • 6 years ago #85577

Swagatam,
You are a rare find, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Just being able to bounce these problems off someone of your caliber is such a gift for me right now.
I will attempt to make the changes you suggested, I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas.

Mark

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SwagatamAdmin
December 24, 2020 • 6 years ago #85590

It is a pleasure Mark, always happy to help! Wish you all the best, and Merry Christmas to you too!

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jay
August 9, 2020 • 6 years ago #81161

hello sir , i’am from philippines and a beginner electronic hobbyist. I have finish your circuit ‘low battery cutoff and overload’ installed on my oscillator circuit ( pwm inverter ) sg3525 ic (not on the battery side of the inverter ) .. I set the low battery cutoff to 11 volts and it is working perfectly on a small load like 60 watts electric fan, and 100 watts soldering iron , but when my load is 60 watts 21 inches crt television the relay will cutoff immediately .. I’am using 10 ampere relay and .02 ohm resistor for r1 .. please i need your help .

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SwagatamAdmin
August 9, 2020 • 6 years ago #81163

Hello Jay, 60 watt fan/iron and 60 watt TV are similarly rated? May be the TV rating is much higher than 60 watt…But anyway 0.02 is too small and will NOT provide any current limit or over current protection below 30 amps, and 30 amps looks impractical for your application

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