#154072

Dear Swagatam
I hope you are doing fine. I have seen several MPPT circuits from your site however in local market I have seen another one which is going strong as far as its specs are concerned.
The setup is where 7 Solar plates are connected in Series and returning 48 Volt + 7 = 336 Volts total. This voltage is given as Input to a so called MPPT local device (a locally made Desi version) and its output is 230V 7 to 10 kva. The AC and fridges are connected at its output.
My understanding is since higher DC voltage is connected and used so copper in transformer (if any) should be minimal and so the ratio of primary and secondary and power conversion losses are lowest as well but I am not sure what circuit is actually used. Can you suggest as what might be used or can create one.
Regards

Author
#154080

Thank you Abdus, for your interesting question.
The copper that you are suggesting is the copper winding I guess.
The copper winding should be as per the calculations and the operating frequency, which must be precisely implemented.
To minimize losses the copper wire can be in the form of multiple thin wire strands instead of a single thick wire, which minimizes skin effect and increase efficiency. The core of the transformer is mostly ferrite so the core losses are already minimal.
Commercial MPPT circuits can be quite complex and sophisticated, which might be beyond the reach of my expertise, so designing them could be difficult for me.

#154141

Dear Swagatam
Thanks for your quick response.
No I am not expecting some very sophisticated device but I love your home grown solutions so just a little understanding for something quick trick may work for me. You can direct me to some already made schematics or a group of schematics so I can start experimenting with it. Moreover in starting version it may not be a very powerful device but rather a proof of concept version for 1KVA or similar and I can later experiment with it for more power. Its for my personal endeavor so need to be a commercial project.
Local commercially sold unit cannot be said to be professional one either for instance there are No charging batteries etc. Local community is using it till 4PM with said load and turns off AC after that and after 5PM turns off fridges as well but fans etc. are working till 6PM and after that whole system is turned off. This turnoff of loads as discussed above is done manually.
Still if it is not viable as a personal project then its fine. I shall still search for it and if found out then I shall also share it with you.
Thanks for your co-operation and responses.
Regards

Author
#154156

Thank you Abdus,
If you want to experiment with an MPPT concept then I would recommend you the second design from the above article.
MPPT2Bcircuit
It is the most viable looking MPPT design because it exploits the basic voltage/current conversion principle of a transformer, which makes sense.
You can initially experiment using a small iron core transformer for a small 100 watt load, just to check if the concept really works or not.
Although the results might not be too accurate, still it should be good enough.
For an iron core transformer the switching frequency to the TIP122 must not exceed 60 Hz.

#143968

I have a 560ah 24V LiFePo4 battery. I have a BMS that monitors each cell and will disconnect the panel from the battery if any one cell exceeds 3.5V. There is no charge controller. I want to try your circuit to see if it will do a better job of matching to the panel’s optimum power output. The battery is typically at 27V and the panel’s optimum is 33V, so I am probably not getting as much power as possible.

Note, I don’t need the MPPT to taper the current to achieve max charge, because the Sun does the tapering for free each day. I just need the MPPT to deliver as much power as the panel will provide, and of course shut off when the BMS opens a circuit.

Am I correct to conclude that the “Simplest Solar MPPT Circuit” will do the job?
Is the version with the buck converter only more efficient? In that circuit what should L1 be?

Thanks for this excellent article!

Author
#143972

Thank you for visiting this site! The opamp based simple MPPT circuit is designed to cut off the load whenever it tries to exceed the MPP specifications of the panel, preventing the solar panel from dropping below the MPP level. The cut off and restoration process is switched continuously ensuring that the panel output always remains within the MPP zone. You can try it and check the response.
The buck converter is presented only as a concept, the actual part values are not known. You can try integrating some other buck converter circuit with known part values.

#143987

Oh hang on, this is not going to do the T part of MPPT. It won’t track, right? I will only maintain the panel at a set voltage. MPP specifications includes temperature, which means that this circuit will match the MPP only if the temperature matched, right?

Have you designed a circuit that will hunt for the max power?

Author
#143993

Yes that’s correct, the op amp circuit will only make sure that the load does not destroy the knee voltage of the panel at any instant.

For hunting max power the first two circuits can be used. But even these circuits simulate MPPT, they are not real MPPT. The first two circuits will continuously track the panel voltage and try to match it with the transformer winding voltage levels to ensure that the output load is able to extract the maximum power from the panel.

#141613

We have a crank/pedal powered device that outputs 300 watts (50 volts). We intend to recharge two 12 volt 65 AH batteries by channeling the output through an MPPT. As the generator is pedal powered, power generation will not be constant but will vary with the pedalling, which is why we thought of the MPPT.

We think that the output from the MPPT should be sent to each battery separately for charging.

Can you help us with a design for a circuit for this purpose, or is a readily available MPPT capable of handling the outpower appropriate for the job.

Author
#141622

I don’t think MPPT would be required in your case. If your pedaling speed reduces the MPPT will not be able to increase the current from the system.
Instead, you can try a buck converter circuit for converting your 50V to 14 V, that will be very efficient.

#141629

My thinking was:
If the generator output is 300 watts, and charging a 12v 65AH battery requires only 78 watts (12 x 6.5, ie 10% though I am told we can charge up to 20% of 65, ie 13), the excess power would be unutilised. If I connect two batteries in parallel to the MPPT I can charge two similar batteries at the same time.
A buck converter will reduce the voltage but will it enable charging of two batteries? We think we will be able to keep the voltage from going below 50V

Author
#141636

An MPPT also uses a buck converter which makes sure that the excess power is not wasted. 10% rate is the recommended rate for a lead acid battery which ensures an increased life for the battery. If you use a buck converter then the 50 – 12 = 38V would be converted into excess current so that you can even charge 3 batteries in parallel at 6.5 amp rate.
I can’t figure out how an MPPT could be used with a generator.

#150957

please how can I make a good buck converter for 60v 10amps to 24v battery system

Author
#150989

You can try the following design:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/lm317-variable-switch-mode-power-supply/
Replace the PNP transistor with TIP36.
Make sure the IC is LM317-HV, the HV version can handle upto 60V input.

#141641

I didn’t know that a buck converter would convert excess voltage into amps, I thought only MPPTs did that.

So I can connect 3 batteries of equal voltage to the output of the buck converter to charge them?

Author
#141643

Yes, that’s the main purpose of a buck converter. If your buck converter is highly efficient then 3 batteries may be possible otherwise only 2.5 batteries.

#141638

Thanks for the reply. I have not yet connected the MPPT. I spoke to a manufacturer. The idea is to convert the generator output to DC using diodes, then from the diodes to the input of the MPPT.
I have no electrical or electronics background. Just an idea I am pursuing.

Author
#141640

I checked online and found that yes MPPT works with generators, but buck converter is a much easier and cheaper option. However you can try a readymade MPPT circuit with your generator it will work.

#140737

Hi, thanks for the inspiration.

Regarding the circuit for the following,

Below shown is an MPPT circuit using a buck converter topology, now the design makes a lot of sense and looks much closer to a true MPPT

How to achieve the final setting for the 10k preset?

Do you have guidelines for sizing the choke L1?

Author
#140743

After revising the details I realize that the 10K preset should not be there. The inverting input of the op amp should be directly connected with the solar panel.
However, for this to work, the op amp rating must be higher than the solar voltage. For example any op amp with 32V rating could be selected and a solar panel lower than 32V could be used with the op amp circuit.

#139928

How hard is it to dsign a 12 kW DC-DC converter to convert power from an Electric Vehicle battery (325-400VDC) to 138.6VDC to run my APC Symmetra UPS on DC?

#139927

Fantastic article! Thank you for contributing!

#138983

How can I contact you to discuss a custom MPPT? Cannot post the details of the project publicly now.

Author
#138991

I prefer discussing through comments only, sorry about it.

#137768

Hi,I will build this circuit any modifications?
Thank you for your projects..

#137341

Hi, I’m trying to build an all in one inverter+charger with 48V solar input with MPPT and battery and grid bidirectional converters so I can charge the batteries and once they’re full redirect power to grid. be able to get power from the grid and the batteries
Something like a Eg4 3000 ehv-48
I would like to know if you have any circuits for this

Author
#137354

Hi, that appears to be quite complex and big, I do not have this design with me at this moment.

#136818

I have 36volt solar (4.4amps) and I want to charge a 12v battery which will be connected to an inverter (150 watt), which of the circuit can I use to achieve an mppt output from the panel.

Author
#136821

You can try the second design, or you can also try the following design:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/0-to-50-v-adjustable-switching-power-supply-circuit-using-ic-lm2576/

#133403

Hi:

I am trying to build a DC MPPT controller of a sort. Probably better to call it a MPPT limiter. I want to power an electric oil radiator type heater (no fans, manual thermostat) directly from a small solar array (3 x 500w panels in series). Panels are rated at 545W, OCV 49.6V, MPPV 41.8V, SCI 13.92A, MPPI 13.04A. This would give max power output at about 125 vdc and about 13A. I need to keep the panels as close as possible to MPPT at full output, of course if the solar output is lower it would just run at the available voltage and current. I don’t want to use a voltage boost converter, I just want to limit the maximum output of the solar array to the MPPT. Load resistance would be around 10 ohms for a 1500w heater. Maximum efficiency without inverters or boost converters is the goal.

The 48v circuit is interesting, but I don’t see how it maintains a constant charge voltage for the battery or even senses battery voltage at all. Could I simply substitute an SSR for the TIP147 to handle the appropriate load current and just have a bang bang controller?

Author
#133409

Hi,
I agree with you…the last circuit which is a 48V battery MPPT type charger does not have a voltage regulator. The circuit only detects an over current and cuts off the supply. It makes sure the panel voltage is never allowed to drop below its maximum rated output except a margin of around 2%. I will try to upgrade the last circuit with a voltage regulator soon.
However for a crude load such as a heater coil the voltage regulation may not be crucial, and only the MPPT regulator as suggested in the 48V circuit should be enough.

#133431

Sir:
The circuit as it stands does not monitor current, only panel voltage, so it can’t directly “detect an over current”, other than indirectly by detecting the panel voltage dropping.
I assume you set the pot so the circuit trips at or just below the MPP voltage of the panel(s). You didn’t address my question about the SSR. The TIP147 does not have the current or voltage capacity to handle a 120VDC solar array at 13A, but a 25A or 40A SSR with an DC rating of 220v would easily handle this load. What kind of frequency does this oscillate at when switching? It looks like it would sort of output a variable frequency PWM while it is regulating, the SSR would need to be able to operate at this frequency. I assume the 100K/10uF time constant would affect this?
Would this rapid switching of load current on the solar panels generate a lot of EMI/RFI? Or cause some detrimental effect on the system?

Author
#133436

Silicon Alchemist, the 48V circuit will cut off the supply to the load when the panel voltage starts dropping, which can only happen when the load draws high amount of current. So indirectly the circuit will monitor an excess current consumption by the load. The pot actually can be used to determine the output voltage but ideally it should be used to fine-tune the MPP cut off.
You can replace the transistor with an SSR which can be used to handle higher voltages easily.
The output oscillation will be a kind of variable frequency PWM and will depend on the load current consumption and the panel voltage level. There could be some EMI generated just as we have in zener diodes.
If the load is a sensitive CMOS device or an audio amplifier then this frequency might have some effect on it.

#131590

Hi Swagatam,

Can we use the last 48v circuit without a buck on a resistive load like a water heater without a battery? I do PV direct water heating at the moment using a 48vdc element and was wondering if this design can improve the efficiency and maintain my input PV voltage.

Regards
Musa

Author
#131591

Hi Musa,

yes, you can use the last circuit for resistive loads effectively. The circuit will cut off whenever the load tries to consume excess power beyond the capacity of the solar panel and thus will maintain optimal power output from the panel

#131678

Hi Swagatam,

Tried it with my setup and realized my current is a bit more than what the circuit can handle. Some smoke came out and there was a little bit of heat. I need to change some components to accommodate my 43V and 20A open from my panels.

Please advise on which components to modify to accommodate my input (43V and 20A).

Regards
Musa

Author
#131679

Hi Musa,

The 7812 IC can handle a maximum of 35V, it will burn at anything above 35V. I am not sure if your 741 IC is also burned or not?

You can replace the 7812 with the following transistorized regulator circuit and check if this helps. The zener diode value can be a 12V 1 watt zener. Also the transistor TIP147 can handle a max current of 2 or 3amps without heating up.

simple voltage regulator circuit

#125051

GOOD job bross , I can see that knowledge is there for u

If I may ask you can you be supplying me some of these designs in which I we just be housing them here.

I,m from Nigeria here ?

Author
#125249

No problem Akintunde, let me know what exactly you want, I will try to help…

#113098

I have the following setup: 204Vmp(max) x 25A PV + 100.8V(max) x 30A 24S Li-Po + 5kW(98V) BLDC.

I cannot find an MPPT for the above. Would it be possible to make my own? Any schematics? Thanks.
(I’m a Mech.Engr.& programmer, not Electrical Engr.)

Author
#113155

Sorry, presently I do not have an MPPT circuit for the mentioned BLDC motor

#107994

If i connect 160v dc to MPPT it will convert 12v with out lose ampere

Author
#108045

yes if the inductor transformer is selected correctly

Author
#108044

Prasad, you can build the last circuit from the following article:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/5v-pwm-solar-battery-charger-circuit/

#108028

Sir I want to convert 60v DC to 12v DC…please Help.. 60v is solar panel.

#107989

I have 300w 40v solar panel 7.5a, how i can use in household with dc to ac converter without battery when it sun light.

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