In this post I have explained an automatic submersible pump start, stop circuit with dry run protection in order to implement an automatic ON/OFF switching of the motor in response to the high/low water levels of the overhead tank.
Circuit Concept
In one of the previous posts I have explained a similar concept which also dealt with an automatic start/stop function of the submersible pump contactor button, however since here the sensors involved float switches, the design looked a bit complex and not suitable for everyone.
Moreover, the dry run protection included in the design relied on the temperature change of the motor for executing the required protection of the motor. This feature too was not too desirable for a layman since installing the heat sensor over the underground motor was not easy.
In this post I have tried to eliminate all these hassles and designed a circuit that is featured to sense the water presence solely through metal sensors immersed in the relevant water sources.
Circuit Operation
So I have explained the proposed Automatic submersible pump start, stop circuit with dry run protection.
A single IC 4049 can be seen engaged for the entire sensing, start stop actions and the dry run protection execution.
The gates involved here are 6 NOT gates from the IC 4049 which are basically rigged as inverters (for inverting the polarity of the fed voltage at its input).
Let's assume the water inside the over head tank goes below the desired lower threshold, as indicated in the above diagram.
The situation removes the positive potential that ws supplied through the water to the input of N1. N1 responds to this by causing a positive to appear at its output pin, which instantly causes C1 to begin charging via R2.
The above condition also allows the positive from the output of N1 to reach the input of N2, which in turn produces a low or a negative at the base of T1 via R3....the associated relay now toggles ON and activates the "START" button of the contactor....however the relay activation is sustained only for a second or so until C1 is fully charged, this length may be set by appropriately tweaking the values of C1/R2.
For the moment let's forget about N5/N6 stage which are positioned for the dry run protection implementation.
Let's assume the pump is running and pouring water into the shown OH tank.
The water now begins filling inside the tank, until the level reaches the brim of the tank "kissing" the sensor corresponding to the N3 input.
This allow a positive through the water to feed the input of N3, enabling its output to go low (negative), which instantly causes C2 to begin charging via R5, but in the process the input of N4 also becomes low and its output inverts to a high prompting the relay driver to activate the relay.
The upper relay instantly activates but only for a second, toggling the "STOP" button of the contactor, and halting the pump motor. The relay timing may be set by appropriately tweaking the values of C2/R5.
The above explanation takes care of the automatic water level control by toggling the submersible start/stop button through the circuit's relays. Now it may be interesting to learn how the dry run protection is designed to prevent a dry run hazard in the absence of water inside the borewell or a underground tank.
Let's go back to the initial situation when the water in the OHT has fallen below the lower threshold and rendered a low at the input of N1....which also renders a low at the input N5.
N5 output turns high due to this and provides a positive supply for C3 so that it can begin charging.
However since the process is also supposed to start the motor, if water is present, the pump may start pouring water in the OHT which is supposed to be detected by the input of N6, causing its output to go low.
With N6 output at low, C3 is inhibited from charging, and the situation stays stalemate...and the motor continues to pump water with no change in the previously explained procedures.
But, suppose the motor experiences a dry run due to an absence of water in the well....as stated above C3 begins charging and the output of N6 never turns negative to stop C3 from charging fully....therefore C3 is able to complete its charging within a predetermined span of time (decided by C3/R8) and finally producing a high (positive) at the input N3.
N3 responds to this in the same way as it would do when the water in the tank is detected at the uppermost threshold....prompting the switching of the upper relay and stopping the motor from running any further.
The dry run protection for the discussed submersible pump start, stop circuit is thus executed.
Parts List
- R1,R4,R9 = 6M8
- R3,R7,R6 = 10K
- R8 = 100K
- R2,R5,C1,C2,C3 = to be dteremined with experimentation
- N1------N6 = IC 4049
- ALL DIODES = 1N4007
- RELAYS = 12V, 10AMP
- T1 = BC557
- T2 = BC547
Comments
Swagatam, I would like to know whether IC HCF14049 and 4049 are the same.
Swagatam, for a 1Hp submersible pump what is the minimum rating of relay that I can use? Can I use 5 or 7amp rated relays?
Sir, I assembled this circuit yesterday and used a 12V SMPS supply. The project is working excellently. Thanks a lot Sir. Can you provide me the Gerber File of this circuit?
That’s great Sanjay, congrats on that! Sorry I do not have a Gerber file for the design, but any professional PCB designer will be able to do it for you…
Sir, I want to bypass the dry run protection section of this circuit. Please suggest the required modification.
Saurav, you can eliminate the N5, N6 stage completely to remove the dry run feature…..make sure to terminate the N5 N6 inputs to ground line since unused gate inputs must be always terminated to a logic level.
Sir, 4049 ic is not available in my locality, can I use cd4050 instead?
Hi Sanjay, 4050 cannot be used because it isn’t a NOT gate IC, it has buffer gates
Mr. Swagatam, wish you a happy Diwali. Sir I am a simple electronics hobbyist, so please suggest some range of values of the resistors and capacitors.
Happy Diwali Sanjay, the 10K is a very standard value, but you can use any value between 10K an 22K
Mr. Swagatam, can you help me with a circuit diagram to improve in a project, where I am using ULN 2003 as a waterlevel indicator using LEDs, l am using a relay driver design using BC547 base and +Vcc to trigger the water detection at ground level tank. I want to use the same relay (which should get turned off) when the waterlevel reaches the tank full indicator and the relay can get deactivated by the tank full indicator pin of ULN2003.
Hello Sanjay,
You can try the following design
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ULN2003-water-level-controller-circuit.png
Hi sir,
You have updated so many circuits over water level controller and i also need a circuit for automatic water level controller but using a single IC or single microcontroller. I have used ne555 for this but there is a problem that some time (not all the time) it starts after the power cut (electricity breakup) while its lower probes are touching the water. (Motor should start only when its lower probes are not in contact with water). If this problem can be fixed please suggest the solution or give me a circuit design using single chip (IC or microcontroller like PIC16f676).
Thanks for your help.
Hi Rakesh,
Is your 555 water level controller circuit same as given in this article?
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-make-simple-water-level/
Please clarify this, I’ll try to solve the issue for you!
also this. sir.
i dunt understand why we need a delay stopping the motor? is it the time it takes to shut down the motor or is it the time how long the motor will be shut down?
The delay is necessary to allow the motor to pump water for the sensing operation. If the delay is not given, the water will not get enough time to reach the dry run sensing input.
can u estimate those resistors and capacitors to experiment ? my mortor will need a 5 second delay for dry run . or is there a formula i can use for them?
Hi sir,
Can u please design similar to the same above circuit for borewell starter with indicating levels also..? It’ll be very useful for us if u can.
Thanks in advance
Hi Vamsi, I can easily provide it, but how will you install it since the tank is supposed to be a submersible one?
Hello Mister,
How can I rework this scheme so I can use it for a water tank, that’s being filled from a water supply network? I will use electromagnet valves for filling and emptying the tank.
Thank you!
Hello Lyubomir, you can configure the relay contacts with your valve system, however the circuit may require further modification depending upon the valve specifications.
If the valve is a one shot open/close type then the above circuit cam be used without modification, if the valve is a spring loaded type then it might require an additional set/reset circuit
Hello!
You are doing very good work,keep it up to serve the world.
Can you build a circuit with these options.
1. low/high voltage protection.
2. Automatic Time Reset Time.When power failure during running.
Features:
1. Auto On with specific time interval & Auto Off when water stops on tank inlet pipe.
2. Tank 4 Level indication.
3. Power On/Off Switch with LED indication.
4. Dry Run protection with indication.
5. Motor On with indication.
6. Tank full indication.
7. Manual Startup.
Hi, Thanks, Actually I already have these stages discussed individually in this website, you can refer to the various concepts through the search box and configure them together for achieving the final circuit, if you need any help please feel free to express them through comments.
Sir For single phase agricultural submersible motor pump want to design and know approximate cost of making.The thought is for self usage and help my brother..
Requirement is Starter for Submersible 2hp Single phase motor pump.
For above if we add dry run will it make huge difference in cost?
To make one end to end product what would be the cost.
Please help me sir
You are most welcome Sandeep!!
Okay swagatam ji, thanks, I thought the circuit itself work as starter. But i really appreciate your work, wonderful.
Sandeep, no, my above circuit is supposed to be connected with your shown "start" "stop" switches so that the system becomes automatic, and manual monitoring can be avoided.
I have no idea about the cost of your starter box, you will have to inquire it with your nearest electrical spare part dealer.
Thanks for quick and helpful reply
Swagatam Ji, Just shared a picture link with you I was explaining to create the below type of starter… Sir ji is that the same which you are talking to?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0fqLeKQHkWBNkRsNzZCVGprOEE/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0fqLeKQHkWBYjFRRFAtT2ZaaEk/view?usp=sharing
If we want to build one such on our own and for our neighbors what would be approximate cost to make one such product. sorry to bother you..
Sandeep, if you are referring to the above explained circuit, it would cost you approximately Rs.100/- without the power supply
Thank you sir now I can use this for running my Aquaponics system. I need this to make sure my sump can be pumped up to the fish tank. I have plan to run 2 system of Aquaponics using only one pump. And your circuit really helpful to make sure I can run it into my sump system.
You are welcome Yulleg,
yes you can use the concept for your mentioned application also….it should work as proposed in the article.
good work i appreciate your kind gesture to the way you respond to question.it mean you know what your doing.
Thank you, it's my pleasure!
sir,
i had built the circuit but how to increase dry run time because for going up to tank it will take some time ie 2 minutes can u help
you can increase the value of C3, or R7 or both for increasing the dry run time limit
Dear sir,
can you please check the circuit practically. and then tell me what should i have to do. as per your suggest i'll proceed then..Thanks.
I am highly impressed how u commit yourself to serve humanity this far.
thanks u so much sir.
thank u so much
Andrew.
You are most welcome Andrew, I appreciate your thoughts.
Dear sir,
Hi, Thanks for the rply… Sir.., Actually what i get confused here about in this circuit is…, in place of R1, R4 and R9 (6m8 / 6.8 mega ohms) valued resistors are not available when i went to buy it. so, here in place of those three resistors i kept in place of each resistor a 5.6m +1m+200k = 6.8 mega ohms when connected in series way. can u pls tell me is this procedure correct or not..? and so many times by this value i tested finally yesterday itself, by changing the values of other resistors and capacitors ( C1 and R2 , C2 and R5 , C3 and R8 ) as you mentioned the above procedure. then the both Relays ( START and STOP ) are not working when i tested with sensor wires by touching and releasing.
And the other point is going to our past discussions, previously i sent u a message like ( START RELAY is working very good but STOP RELAY is not.) that is when i have tested in the beginning. at the first time when i went to buy components for this CKT. the seller unexpectedly given the resistor value instead of 5.6m ohms he given (green,blue,green,gold,red) 5 band colour coded resistor. then it is 56.5 ohms. in place of GOLD actually it should be YELLOW code. i don't know when i purchase it. unknowingly i put the same valued 56.5ohms resistors directly and tested the circuit. at that time START RELAY is responded very fine. and at the mean time STOP RELAY is also energised continuously. after you suggested me to CHECK THOROUGHLY. then i found the above resistor is wrong value. then again i purchased 5.6m ohms and 1meg + 200k. and then i removed all the components from bread board and again i inserted with the new once. tested. both relays are not working as i mentioned in the above paragraph. and one more doubt is…the DIODES which you mentioned are all 1N4007 or leaving the relay diodes same and other diodes 1n4148 zener…? and also i don't know which are the perfect values to activate Relays in 1 sec. by changing ( C1,R2 , C2,R5 , C3,R8) can u suggest any variable resistance for three of them…?
SIR…, this is my brief explanation about waiting for your HELP. my language is poor.. i think you can able to understand that what i written above. Thank you very much..
Dear Vamsi,
Thank you for updating the details, it means now you have succeeded in making the circuit work, that's great.
the sensor resistors must be at least 10 times higher than the water resistance, the water resistance is typically around 150K to 300K, so anything 10 time higher than this can be used for R1/R4.
The timing resistor can be identified by little trial and error, use different fixed resistors and/or capacitors and check the best possible combination….a fixed resistor is recommended for ensuring consistency on the start/stop switching, preset or pot value can accidentally change and cause problems.
you can use 1N4007 for all the diodes, nothing's critical about them.
Dear sir,
as u mentioned above procedure i followed accordingly but still same problem. and as u said i connected the led in between R6 10K resistor and the base of transistor.it's glowing (anode to R 10k and cathode to base of T2.) i replaced transistor and IC with the new once if suppose faulty. and i tried changing the values of R5 grater than and lesser than 10K. but still it's same problem.can u help me pls….
It's my pleasure Vamsi,
Please let me know what you couldn't understand, and where you are stuck….I'll try to help.
Thank you very much SIR…..:) actually I'am doing all this for my parents purpose. I will always be grateful for all that you are trying to help me… Thank you very much once again…..:) awaiting for the HELP…
Hi Vamsi, Please let me know what you couldn't understand, and where you are stuck….I'll try to help.
Hi Sir,
how r u…?…..:) I'am extremely sorry sir, that i'am unable to make this circuit, i tried so many times to make it success, as u said i changed the values of C1, R2, C2, R5 and C3, R8. But it not possible to me. i understand that i cannot make anymore without your help. sir, can u pls clarify me can i put the resistance 6.6 mega ohms in place of 6M8 (6.8mega ohms) i am sorry for disturbing you… thank you for your valuable time….
Dear Vamsi, the value of R5 is only related to the ON time pulse of the stop relay, nothing more than that.
R5 gives positive to the input of N4, therefore the output of N4 will be negative…with negative at the base of the T2 how can it get triggered, …..unless the water reaches the top and reverts the situation.
That's better idea for motor running indication. Thanks for suggestion Sir…:)
Dear sir,
can u pls help me, i have checked the connections thoroughly and tested the above given circuit. here, when i given power to circuit, the RELAY for START switch is working very good (as soon if power supplied to circuit imagining suppose if water empty START RELAY is automatically activating for 1sec. and suppose if water in OHT in touch with both bottom wires START RELAY is not activating and if i separate both wires, it energises for 1sec.) so, by this START RELAY working very good. as per ur suggest here in place of R2 i connected a 10K resistor. and in place of C1, instead of 22uf i replaced with 470uf 25v capacitor. then START RELAY is energising for 1sec. and now here about the problem is from the beginning of testing the STOP RELAY is energised continuously when powered to circuit. actually it should not activate until water touches to upper sensor. this is my brief explanation.so, kindly i request can u check the circuit once again please…
…sorry below the comment box…in RED color.
….please read the "warning" statement that I have mentioned just above the comment box (below)
Dear Vamsi
the "start" relay is supposed to activate when the water is in between the bottom RED terminal and the N1 input terminal…….. that is when the positive is NOT touching the N1 input terminal through water.
The STOP relay will NEVER stay activated permanently because R5 is connected to positive which will produce a "0" voltage at the output N4, so how can T2 energize with a 0V at its base??
You might have something incorrect in the assembly or any of the components could be faulty or wrongly connected.
check it again….connect LEDs in series with the base of the T1 and T2, for getting the start, stop indications.
Hi Sir,
in the above circuit, can u pls tell me how to add the LED to indicate motor running status..? Thanks.. 🙂
Hi Vamsi, that would be difficult,because the relay is supposed to trigger only momentarily….you can try a neon bulb and wire it parallel to the motor supply for getting the indications….