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2 Best Long Duration Timer Circuits Explained

Last Updated on January 19, 2025 by Swagatam 191 Comments

In this post I have explained how to make 2 accurate long duration timer circuits ranging from 4 hours to 40 hours, which can be upgraded further for getting even longer delays. The concepts are fully adjustable.

Table of Contents
  • Introduction
  • 1) Circuit Description
    • Parts List
    • PCB Layout
    • Formula for Calculating Delay output for IC 4060
    • Adding Selector Switch and LEDs
    • How it Works
  • 2) Using Only BJTs
  • Achieving High Accuracy Delays
    • So How can a Transistor Circuit Produce Long Accurate Duration Time Intervals?
    • Circuit Diagram
    • How it Works
      • How the 1K and 1N4148 Work
    • PCB Design
    • Long Duration Timer using Op Amps
      • Long Duration Timer using LDR for Day Night Sensing

A timer in electronics is essentially a device which is used for producing time delay intervals for switching a connected load. The time delay is set externally by the user as per the requirement.

Introduction

Please remember that you can never produce long accurate delays using only a single 4060 IC or any CMOS IC.

I have confirmed practically that beyond 4 hours IC 4060 begins deviating from its accuracy range.

IC 555 as a delay timer is even worse, it's almost impossible to get accurate delays even for an hour from this IC.

This inaccuracy is mostly due to capacitor leakage current, and inefficient discharging of the capacitor.

ICs like 4060, IC 555, etc basically generate oscillations which are adjustable right from a few Hz to many Hz.

Unless these IC are integrated with another divider counter device such as IC 4017, getting very high accurate time intervals may not be feasible. For getting 24 hour, or even days and week intervals you will have integrate a divider/counter stage as shown below.

In the first circuit we see how two different modes of ICs can be coupled together to form an effective long duration timer circuit.

1) Circuit Description

Referring to the circuit diagram.

  1. IC1 is an oscillator counter IC consisting a built in oscillator stage and generates clock pulses with varying periods across its pins 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,13,14,15.
  2. The output from pin 3 produces the longest time interval and therefore we select this output for feeding the next stage.
  3. The pot P1 and the capacitor C1 of IC1 can be used for adjusting the time span at it pin 3.
  4. The higher the setting of the above components the longer the period at pin #3.
  5. The next stage consists of decade counter IC 4017 which does nothing but increase the time interval obtained from IC1 to ten folds. It means if the the time interval generated by IC1s pin #3 is 10 hours, the time generated at pin #11 of IC2 would be 10*10 = 100 hours.
  6. Similarly if the time generated at pin #3 of IC1 is 6 minutes, would mean a high output from pin#11 of IC1 after 60 minutes or 1 hour.
  7. When power is switched ON, capacitor C2 makes sure that the reset pins of both the ICs are appropriately reset, so that the ICs begin counting from zero rather than from some irrelevant intermediate figure.
  8. As long as the counting progresses, pin #11 of IC2 remains at logic low, such that the relay driver is held switched OFF.
  9. After the set timing lapses, pin#11 of IC2 goes high activating the transistor/relay stage and the subsequent load connected with the relay contacts.
  10. The diode D1 ensures that the output from pin#11 of IC2 locks the counting of IC1 by providing a feed back latch signal at its pin #11.
    Thus the whole timer latches until the timer is switched OFF and restarted again for repeating the entire process.
long duration timer circuit diagram using IC 4060 and IC 4017

Parts List

R1, R3 = 1M
R2, R4 = 12K,
C1, C2 = 1uF/25V,
D1, D2 = 1N4007,
IC1 = 4060,
IC2 = 4017,
T1 = BC547,
POT = 1M linear
RELAY = 12V SPDT

PCB Layout

Long Duration timer PCB layout

Formula for Calculating Delay output for IC 4060

Delay Period = 2.2 Rt.Ct.2(N -1)

Frequency = 1 / 2.2 Rt.Ct

Rt = P1 + R2

Ct = C1

R1 = 10(P1+R2)

Adding Selector Switch and LEDs

The above design could be further enhanced with a selector switch and sequential LEDs, as indicated in the following diagram:

How it Works

long duration timer circuit diagram using IC 4060 and IC 4017 with LED indicators

The main element of the timing circuit is a 4060 CMOS device, which is made up of an oscillator along with a 14 stage divider.

The frequency of the oscillator could be tweaked through potentiometer P1 in order that the output at Q13 is around a single pulse each hour.

The period of this clock beat could be extremely quick (around 100 ns), as it additionally resets the whole 4060 IC by way of diode D8.

The 'once each hour' clock pulse is given to the 2nd (divide-by-ten) counter, the 4017 IC. One of several outputs of this counter is going to be logic high (logic one) at any given instant.

When the 4017 is reset, output Q0 goes high. Right after one hour, output Q0 will turn low and output Q1 may become high, etc. Switch S1 as a result allows the user to choose a time interval through one to six hours.

When the chosen output becomes high, the transistor turns off and the relay gets switched OFF (thus turning off the connected load).

Once the enable input of the 4017 is furthermore attached to the wiper of S1 any succeeding clock pulses turns out to have no impact on ihe counter. The device will consequently continue to be in the switched OFF condition until the reset switch is presed by the user.

The 4050 CMOS buffer IC along with the 7 LEDs are incorporated to offer indication of the range of hours which may have essentially elapsed. These parts could, obviously, be removed in case an lapsed time display is not needed.

The source voltage for this circuit is not really crucial and could be cover anything from 5 and 15 V, The current usage of the circuit, excluding the relay, will be in the range of 15 mA.

It is advisable to pick a source voltage that may be matching the specifications of the relay, to ensure that any problems are avoided. The BC 557 transistor can handle a current of 70 mA, so make sure the relay coil voltage is rated withing this current range

2) Using Only BJTs

The next design explains a very long duration timer circuit which uses only a couple of transistors for the intended operations.

Long duration timer circuits normally involve ICs for the processing because executing long duration delays requires high precision and accuracy which is possible only using ICs.

Achieving High Accuracy Delays

Even our very own IC 555 becomes helpless and inaccurate when long duration delays are expected from it.

The encountered difficulty for sustaining high accuracy with long duration is basically the leakage voltage issue, and the inconsistent discharging of the capacitors which leads to wrong starting thresholds for the timer producing errors in the timing for each cycles.

The leakages and inconsistent discharge issues become proportionately bigger as the capacitor values get bigger which becomes imperative for obtaining long intervals.

Therefore making a long duration timers with ordinary BJTs could be almost impossible as these devices alone could be too basic and cannot be expected for such complex implementations.


So How can a Transistor Circuit Produce Long Accurate Duration Time Intervals?

The following transistor circuit handles the above discussed issues credibly and can be used for acquiring long duration timing with reasonably high accuracy (+/-2%).

It's simply due to effective discharging of the capacitor on every new cycle, this ensures that the circuit begins from zero, and enables accurate identical time periods for the selected RC network.

Circuit Diagram

long duration timer circuit diagram using transistors only

The circuit may be understood with the help of the following discussion:

How it Works

A momentary push of the push button charges the 1000uF capacitor fully and triggers the NPN BC547 transistor, sustaining the position even after the switch is released due to the slow discharging of the 1000uF via the 2M2 resistor and the emitter of the NPN.

Triggering of the BC547 also switches ON the PNP BC557 which in turns switches ON the relay and the connected load.

The above situation holds on as long as the 1000uF is not discharged below the cut off levels of the the two transistors.

The above discussed operations are quite basic and make an ordinary timer configuration which may be too inaccurate with its performance.

How the 1K and 1N4148 Work

However the addition of the 1K/1N4148 network instantly the transforms the circuit into a hugely accurate long duration timer for the following reasons.

The 1K and the 1N4148 link ensures that each time the transistors break up the latch due to insufficient charge in the capacitor, the residual charge inside the capacitor is forced to discharge fully through the above resistor/diode link via the relay coil.

The above feature makes sure that the capacitor is completely drained off and empty for the next cycle and thus is able to produce a clean start from zero.

Without the above feature the capacitor would be unable to discharge completely and the residual charge inside would induce undefined start points making the procedures inaccurate and inconsistent.

The circuit could be even further enhanced by using a Darlington pair for the NPN allowing the use of much higher value resistors at its base and proportionately low value capacitors. Lower value capacitors would produce lower leakages and help to improve the timing accuracy during the long duration counting periods.

How to Calculate the Component Values for the Desired Long Delays:

Vc = Vs(1 - e-t/RC)

Where:

  1. Vc is the voltage across the capacitor
  2. Vs is the supply voltage
  3. t  is the elapsed time since the application of the supply voltage
  4. RC is the time constant of the RC charging circuit

PCB Design

long duration timer PCB with transistors

Long Duration Timer using Op Amps

The disadvantage of all analogue timers (monostable circuits) is that, in an effort to achieve fairly long time periods, the RC time constant needs to be correspondingly substantial.

This inevitably implies resistor values of greater than 1 M, that may result in timing mistakes caused by stray leakage resistance within the circuit, or substantial electrolytic capacitors, that similarly can create timing problems because of their leakage resistance.

long duration timer circuit diagram using op-amps ICs

The op amp timer circuit shown above accomplishes timing periods as much as 100 times more time compared to those accessible using regular circuits.

It achieves this by lowering the capacitor charging current through a factor of 100, consequently improving the charging time drastically, without requiring high value charging capacitors. The circuit works in the following way:

When the start/reset button is clicked C1 gets discharged and this causes output of op amp IC1, which is configured as a voltage follower, to become zero volts. The inverting input of comparator IC2 is at a reduced voltage level than the non -inverting input, hence the output of IC2 moves high.

The voltage around R4 is around 120 mV, which means that C1 charges via R2 with a current of approximately 120 nA, which apprers to be 100 times less than what could be attained in case R2 had been attached direct to positive supply.

Needless to say, if C1 had been charged through a consistent 120 mV it could rapidly achieve this voltage, and stop charging any further.

However, the lower terminal of R4 being fed back to the output of IC1 ensures that as the voltage across C1 goes up so does the output voltage and therefore the charging voltage given to R2.

Once the output voltage climbs to approximately 7.5 volts it surpasses the voltage refernced at the non-inverting input of IC2 by R6 and R7, and the output of IC2 becomes low.

A tiny quantity of positive feedback supplied by R8 inhibits any kind of noise existing on the output of IC1 from getting boosted by IC2 as it moves from the trigger point, because this normally produce false output pulses. The timing length can be calculated by the equation:

T = R2 C1( 1 + R5/R4 + R5/R2) x C2 x ( 1 + R7/R6)

This may appear somewhat complex, but with the part numbers indicated the time interval can be set as long as 100 C1. Here C1 is in microfarads, let's say if C1 is selected as 1 µ then the output time interval will be 100 seconds.

It is very clear from the equation that it is possible to vary the timing interval linearly by substituting R2 with a 1 M potentiometer, or logarithmically by using a 10 k pot in place of R6 and R7.

Long Duration Timer using LDR for Day Night Sensing

Long Duration Timer circuit diagram using LDR for Day Night Sensing

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SwagatamAdmin
October 1, 2013 • 13 years ago #15765

You can alter the timing by increasing or decreasing the value C1 and the 1M pot.

Connect more number of 1u parallel to C1 and adjust the 1M pot by some trial and error for geting the desired timing.

Alternatively the formula for timing may be seen here:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/01/how-to-make-simple-versatile-timer.html

pin11 4017 is the output. pin3 of 4060 will blink but at the rate of minutes as per the setting of the above timing parts.

pin7 of 4060 will blink faster, which indicates the timer is working corectly.

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SwagatamAdmin
October 2, 2013 • 13 years ago #15782

The relay should be 12V, the supply voltage should be 12V and the transistor any NPN type general purpose.

You can connect LEDs with series 1K resistor across pin7 and ground of IC4060 and same for IC 4017 at its pin11.

The LEDs will provide the appropriate indications regarding the working of the circuit.

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Jason Crossfield
November 10, 2013 • 13 years ago #17127

Hi Swagatam,

How could I alter this circuit to delay 1Hr OFF to ON, 1Second of being ON then OFF, and continue to cycle continuously (1hr OFF 1sec ON)?

Thanks for your help. Your a legend!

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SwagatamAdmin
November 10, 2013 • 13 years ago #17129

Hi Jason,

Thanks! You can try the following circuit, it will suit your need well:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/04/how-to-make-simple-programmable-timer.html

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Sriram Kp
July 11, 2014 • 12 years ago #24168

Hai, I want the relay to activate for 15 hours and de-activate for 9 hours. so wat are the changes I have to made in the above circuit?? Pls help…

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SwagatamAdmin
July 11, 2014 • 12 years ago #24177

Hi, you will need to build the following circuit for achieving it, not the above one:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/04/how-to-make-simple-programmable-timer.html

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Sriram Kp
July 12, 2014 • 12 years ago #24198

so, if I want the relay to activated for 9 hrs means i have to set 54 minutes in the IC1 with the help of POT P1. So by rotating the P1 knob, how I can able to know that i adjusted the knob for 54 mins??
And u said me to connect the clock's alarm output positive trigger to pin12 of IC4060 via a 1uF capacitor. but the +12v dc is already connected at the junction of pin12 of IC1, pin15 of IC2 via 1uf capacitor. so if I connect the alarm output at this junction means will the relay get active at the alarm time??

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SwagatamAdmin
July 13, 2014 • 12 years ago #24204

you will have set the pot appropriately or opt for a fixed resistor in that place through some experimentation.

First try any arbitrarily chosen small value resistor, note after how many seconds pin3 of 4060 becomes high. After you get the value you can calculate the 54 minute resistor accordingly by cross multiplication:

selected resistor/R = "x"seconds/54 x 60

where R is the unknown resistor, x seconds is the noted timing, the selected small value resistor could be 10K (use only one resistor)

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SwagatamAdmin
July 13, 2014 • 12 years ago #24205

….yes the alarm output should be connected to pin12 of 4060 via a 1uF capacitor, this reset the whole action and itiate the timing from zero.

Relay will get activated if a PNP transistor is used at pin11 of 4017

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Sriram Kp
July 13, 2014 • 12 years ago #24206

ok. will a ordinary analog or digital table clock which is running on 1.5v battery work with the above circuit for my requirement??

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SwagatamAdmin
July 13, 2014 • 12 years ago #24215

No, the trigger will require at least 5V at pin12.

however the input could be amplified using a BC547 transistor, whose emitter could be used for triggering pin12 of 4060, collector could be connected to the IC supply, base to clock trigger via a 10k resistor.

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Sriram Kp
July 14, 2014 • 12 years ago #24227

i made a diagram as u said. pls check it whether it is correct…
imgur.com/OVZE2oZ
I placed a 10k resistor next to 1k for calculatig time. is that correct??
And u told me use a PNP transistor at pin11 of 4017 to activate the relay at alarm timing. so do i need to replace that BC547 with BC557??

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SwagatamAdmin
July 14, 2014 • 12 years ago #24234

BC547 collector should join with positive and the emitter to the 1uF capacitor…

If you are using a fixed timing resistor at pin2 then only one resistor should be included to make the calculations easier, if two are used then use the sum of both in the calculations.

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SwagatamAdmin
July 14, 2014 • 12 years ago #24235

…..also connect a 100k resistor across emitter of BC547 and ground so that the capacitor can discharge for the repeat cycles.

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Sriram Kp
July 14, 2014 • 12 years ago #24240

pin2 !!!?? u mean pin10, right??
And i did modification as u said. pls check it…
imgur.com/kuBCE46
Thn u said "Relay will get activated if a PNP transistor is used at pin11 of 4017". sry, i didnt understand that. pls explain that…

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SwagatamAdmin
July 15, 2014 • 12 years ago #24250

pin2 was in response to the PIR circuit not this one, when you said the 555 was get hot.

the diagram is correct now.

Yes use BC557 instead of BC547

Initiate (switch ON) the circuit exactly at the time when you want the clock to trigger, this will reset the timer to start, the relay will switch ON, and the circuit will start counting for the desired 10 hour period. After this you can leave the circuit for automatic operations everyday.

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Unknown
September 2, 2014 • 12 years ago #25412

I remove IC# 2 and P1, and it work well,.. but replacing R2 with 2M ohms, it activates relay after 3 hours, but never deactivate,..

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SwagatamAdmin
September 3, 2014 • 12 years ago #25428

remove D1 for getting an alternate 3 hour ON, 3 hour OFF switching from the circuit

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Amir Abdurraman
September 17, 2014 • 12 years ago #25710

Hello sir, please i need a circuit to turn off a relay after 14 or 15 hours … Thanks.

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SwagatamAdmin
September 19, 2014 • 12 years ago #25773

Hello Amir, you can use the above circuit for the application, use a BC557 instead of the shown BC547 and connect the relay across its collector and ground.

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Unknown
September 19, 2014 • 12 years ago #25779

Swag…

It'd be neat if you devised a circuit that could:

1. Detect Darkness
2. Wait an adjustable amount of time, say 1-3 hours
3. energize a light, or relay
4. Stay on for an adjustable amount of time 3-8 hrs

That'd be a huge improvement over typical solar garden lights, as they typicall come on too early, and stay on too long.

Thanks

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SwagatamAdmin
September 19, 2014 • 12 years ago #25793

Hi Unknown , I'll try to design it and post it in this blog soon.

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Subramania Bharathi
January 3, 2015 • 12 years ago #27920

Hi sir i need ur help on the circuit i have constructed as per the above diagram but i coudnt get response or out put …

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SwagatamAdmin
January 5, 2015 • 12 years ago #27933

Hi Subramania, the output will be activated only after the set time has elapsed….you can connect an LED at pin3/ground via a 1K resistor of the IC4017..this LED will light up at switch ON and will shut off after some time indicating that the time period is sequencing. or you can connect such LEDs across all the outputs of the IC4017 for a clearer view and confirmation about how the time period may be proceeding.

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Syed Arham
February 23, 2015 • 11 years ago #28990

Hi!
Can I use 555 monostable circuit for charging my battery for about one hour.i think that it will be not much accurate I don't want it to be much accurate but just wanted to charge my battery for about one hour and then the relay shut off the charger.

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SwagatamAdmin
February 24, 2015 • 11 years ago #29000

hi, yes you may do it if you know the approximate time the battery would take to get charged optimally…

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Syed Arham
February 24, 2015 • 11 years ago #29001

Thanks..

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Abhijit Mondal
May 28, 2015 • 11 years ago #31121

Sir, i want to use the ckt for automatic ON/OFF air cooler 240V, 11-18A . How can i do it ? is
step up of relay out put required ?

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SwagatamAdmin
May 28, 2015 • 11 years ago #31130

Abhijit, you can use the above circuit for your purpose, the relay contacts will need to be wired with AC220V and the air cooler socket…..just disconnect the mains wire connected with any one of the socket terminals and connect it to the relay pole, connect another wire from the N/O contact of the relay and join it back at this socket terminal.

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Abhijit Mondal
May 29, 2015 • 11 years ago #31145

sir, i want to know time duration formula of this timer ckt.plz help me.

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SwagatamAdmin
May 30, 2015 • 11 years ago #31172

you can find it here:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/01/how-to-make-simple-versatile-timer.html

C will be in Farads

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Patricia
September 8, 2015 • 11 years ago #33840

Dearest Swagatam,

So this circuit will work with 5v at input, and deliver 5v to the relay, so that I can use a homemade SSR? I'd like to use it to turn off my basement lights a few hours after they are turned on. No one ever remembers to turn them off, and I find them still burning days or weeks later. That is not acceptable, and yet PIR switches are unacceptable for this purpose, because the area is so huge…

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SwagatamAdmin
September 9, 2015 • 11 years ago #33847

Dearest Tom, yes definitely you can use it for the intended purpose, however an SSR could be unnecessarily costly, instead you can try the second circuit from the following link, which looks much cheaper and yet effective:

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2013/07/simple-triac-timer-circuit.html

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Kishor Vr
October 29, 2015 • 11 years ago #35313

Hi swagatam sir.I want a timer which should off for 2 seconds in 24 hours and drive relay with it.how can i achieve this with the above circuit.

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SwagatamAdmin
October 30, 2015 • 11 years ago #35336

Hi Kishore, you can try the above shown circuit, just add a 100uF capacitor in series with the transistor base, and tune the 4060 IC to produce a 1.2 hour time pulse

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tango bravo
October 29, 2015 • 11 years ago #35314

Dear i need a diagram timer for 45minute on and 45m 0ff and so on

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tango bravo
October 29, 2015 • 11 years ago #35315

Dear swagatam how can i change it to 30minute ON 30mn OFF and so on

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SwagatamAdmin
October 30, 2015 • 11 years ago #35337

use the above circuit without the 4017 IC…connect the transistor relay driver directly with the pin#3 of 4060 and tune the IC to produce 30 minute frequency or 45 min…

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Syahidatul Khadijah
December 12, 2015 • 11 years ago #36666

How to make 6 months timer circuit?

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Unknown
December 14, 2015 • 11 years ago #36729

Swagatam, another great circuit, follow a lot of yours.
I have 2 questions, what's the current draw of the circuit? I suspect it's extremely low since its only a timer.
2Nd. I want the timer to control my solar panels because the way the sun comes around my house I have to keep moving my panel from 2 spots the relay would need to support 37v Min, and 8amps Min also needs to switch every 6 hours a timer is my only option as one panel gets full sun from 6am till 12pm then the other from 12pm till 5:30pm however I can't be at home to move it haha but I can't run one panel in each spot together as it's to much for my controller so a timer would be good to switch one panel on at a time

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SwagatamAdmin
December 14, 2015 • 11 years ago #36731

Thank you unknown,

however a timer is not what may be appropriate for your purpose.

Sorry I could not correctly understand why you cannot connect both the panels in parallel and use it with the existing controller…..??

If you are thinking that your controller would burn then that's not correct, as long as the specs of both the panels are similar.

It's the connected output load that matters, not the input wattage, if the output load exceeds above the controller's handling limit in such a case there could be a danger to the controller, having said that today all controllers have built-in overload protection so under any circumstances the device is never at a risk of burning.

So I think you should connect the panels in parallel and enjoy maximum power from them, and in fact prevent unnecessary wastage of energy:)

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Anton T
December 15, 2015 • 11 years ago #36766

Yes that's correct my mppt controller supports 260w at 12v 20amps output, my panel is 250w the controller also supports up to 150v voc input. It does have a cut out when the power exceededs it's limit then connects back once panels fall back under, I just thought I wouldn't want to risk it for the price of the controller I paid I wanted to be safe then sorry.
I do also have my panels the same specs and brand so they don't pull each other down and config issues. I think it would be okay since panel on the side in the mornings on a nice sunny clear day only produces 3amps max since its not direct sunlight. However I have seen it peak to 19.5amps if both did that it would be a massive 40amp on the output and 16amp on the input for a 20amp controller?

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SwagatamAdmin
December 16, 2015 • 11 years ago #36773

The input current will not harm your controller as long as the following two things are maintained, as per the specs of the controller:

1) Don't allow the connected output loads to exceed 250 watts, and
2) Don't allow the input voltage from the panel to exceed 150V.

If the above two criteria are maintained there's no way your controller could get damaged.

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Anton T
December 17, 2015 • 11 years ago #36806

There's only about 60v max voltage going into the controller.
It's connected directly to a battery bank which is fused, but there's a 600w inverter connected to the battery bank? Are you saying I can't exceed my inverter past 250w?

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SwagatamAdmin
December 17, 2015 • 11 years ago #36820

OK so if the inverter is linked with your battery, it would be the battery which would supply the power to the inverter, not the controller, so the 250 watt load issue is not related with the charger controller rather the battery

The controller would be only associated with the charging current which I assume would constitute much less than the 250 watt limit…so under any circumstances your controller appears to be safe and sound, therefore combining the two panels together is perfectly advisable.

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Anton T
December 22, 2015 • 11 years ago #36914

Thanks swagatam it's working great, currently we are in summer over here in Australia sun rises at about 5:30am I get 16-18amps from then till 6pm I have however had it jump to 20amps :/ both panels got sun for a bit then it went cloudy and blocked one panel dropped to about 10amps I've yet to experience the controller to cut out and see how it handles over current, don't want it to constantly be cutting out because it hits past 20amps output, or is this not how mppt works? Does it just waste the extra current to heat?
Sorry to go way off topic from your circuit, but is it possible to have 2 separate pv arrays 2 separate controllers (1 for each array) 2 separate battery banks (1 for each again) but one inverter both banks parallel to the inverter? It will be a 24v set-up.

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SwagatamAdmin
December 23, 2015 • 11 years ago #36926

Thanks Anton, I am glad to know this.

An MPPT will never waste anything through dissipation, however if it gets an input beyond its rated specs then it will simply block the excess power…which is I think as good as wasting power.

So if you want to take the maximum advantage of the available resources then either you can go for an upgraded or higher rated controller…so use separate devices for the two panels, as you have already planned to do.

Using two separate controllers and batteries for the two panels will not harm anything, just increase the set up cost, you can surely go ahead with it, no issues.

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Anton T
January 7, 2016 • 11 years ago #37390

Thanks for all the info, I'm still deciding on 2 separate controllers or one single big one the maximum amp controller I've seen is 40A which is why I'd probably need 2 so the batteries charge up within the time of the sun being out.

As for my 20A controller I've got 2 panels connected for 12v a 235w panel and a 250w panel as you said it will only use what it needs and I can now see that because when the batteries are nearly charged the amps drop to only a few amps but if I put a load on, the amps go up. Having the panels in parallel seem to be better than series as they tend to drag each other down a bit having 66vmp and 8.1imp the controller doesn't hit 20amps whereas in parallel it will sit at 20amps with 8imp and 33vmp each panel it can utilise all the current from both panels then convert some voltage to make it to 20amps.

Do you think it's possible to earth an inverter that has live and neutral-live? Is there a way? I will eventually get an inverter that has 0v neutral but at the moment my 600w inverter is doing good, just want to leave it in permanent with earth protection but it has no neutral as both wires will give you a zap.

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SwagatamAdmin
January 7, 2016 • 11 years ago #37401

Thanks for updating your progress!
yes connecting the panels in parallel would give better results, especially if the controller is an MPPT type so please make sure it is an MPPT if you happen to buy a new one.

Your present inverter output should not be associated with an "earth" connection in any manner otherwise that would result in a short circuit or heavy power losses….not recommended unless it has a neutral specified with a permanent 0V

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Anton T
January 8, 2016 • 11 years ago #37427

Yes I only buy mppt controllers, they are the best.
Would any electronic device turn this wire into a neutral maybe like an isolation transformer? Or no point?
Not to mention if it was tied to earth any device with a metal chassis will be live. I would like to put a rcd on the ac side but there would be no point because there's no earth I want to protect against a malfunction that could cause a shock or is there no need? It's only a 600w inverter.

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