Its great pleasure to get guided by you. Thank you so much.
I was looking out for SPDT/DPDT SSR required to work 24*7 with minimal power/heat.
My residence is basically divided into two sections which are powered by two different 230v AC phases. Lets name them P1 and P2.
Now, the problem starts when a power invertor comes into picture. The invertor is powered by P1 but powers some electricals in other section which is basically powered by P2.
With new energy meters, which basically calculate the consumption based on differnence between incoming phase and outgoing neutral currents, do calculate the load on both energy meters.
I thought of putting a SSR based phase selector (not mechanical one due to wear and tear on 230v AC load). The SPDT NC would would connect invertor, whereas NO would connect load to P2. P2 would power the trigger i.e. operate the relay. So when P2 is available, it would ON the relay and NO would connect powering load with P2, whereas in absence of P2 would switch off relay connecting invertor line to section load. I am finding it difficult to find some SPDT/DPDT SSR which fulfill my requirement or if any are very costly, so if you can help me with any such circuit.
Thank you again.
Thanks Puneet, basically you want
a solid-state SPDT changeover relay which will switch the load from
mains to inverter during mains failure and vice-versa when mains
returns....this will also prohibit the energy meter from registering the
inverter current in its calculation while inverter is running.
I hope I have understood it rightly??
would also require isolating the neutral so that the energy meter is
completely disconnected from the load and the neutral line during mains
That's perfectly right!
would beg to differ on the last point - isolation of neutral on mains
absence. The reason being the live wire from invertor is directly
connecting in section2 and not from energy meter. Since mains is off, i
believe the energy meter circuit may not be powered to sense the
consumption on neutral side.
I may be wrong in my assumption. So
if you feel neutral also needs isolation, please design the circuit
accordingly. That was some confusion i had, thus i always mentioned
SPDT/DPDT in my request.
Let me know if any more information required.
Thank you 🙂
I think DPDT could be slightly more complex with a triac based relay, so it's better to stick with an SPDT variant.
I think you could give the last SPDT circuit in the above article a try, with some modifications.
you can join the lower leads of the triac together and connect with the
load (the other end of the load connected with the neutral), while the
upper leads could be separated and joined with the respective phases
(mains, and inverter)
for supplying the circuit under both the
situations we could use two 0.33uF separately, one connected with the
mains, and the other with the inverter phase.
Just for my clear understanding, I
am confused with the last statement about 0.33uf capacitors, where
exactly should I put them across?
1. do I need to add heat sinks to the triacs?
I believe the trigger is 5v dc sourced from mains. Should I go for
transformer supply to drop 230v ac to 5/6v ac and rectify? If you have
any specific design for that please guide me.
3. If not dc in above, do I need to take special care for zero crossing for the optocoupler.
I had redrawn the circuit diagram as per your instructions, but could not upload it here.
Hi Puneet, you can send the diagram to my email:
admin @ homemade-circuits.com
the trigger can be 5V or 12V that is not critical...
in the last diagram, the 0.33uF can be see connected with the mains, you can connect a second 0.33uF from the zener side and connect its other end with the inverter mains...this would enable the transistor circuit to operate in both the situations, during absence and presence of mains.
zero crossing triggering is not required according to me.
Please find attached the modified circuit diagram. I hope i have modified it as per your instructions.
Let me know your valuable feedback.
I would also request you to suggest the best possible option to get the 5v DC signal at trigger end. should i look out for transformer-less supply or transformer one.
With respect to the 0.33uF capacitors, i doubt if i have made the right connection or should this be coming from the lower ends of the triacs, as here the two phase inputs would collide.
I was trying to build an end to end circuit where i can clearly demarcate 4 (or 5) inputs
the 0.33uF connections are OK, the current on the other side of 0.33uF
will be quite low and won't harm each other.
the lower side of the triacs are supposed to be connected only with the
load not with the circuit negative, the negative of the circuit should be
connected directly with the neutral. rest all looks OK.
Thank you so much for your quick reply.
I hope this one is correct. My bad luck i did not see the phases being shorted to ground/neutral at lower triac ends 🙁
Would this circuit be capable for handling around 500 watts of load?
Now it looks OK, and hopefully should function as per the expectations.
The trigger to the opto could be extracted from either of the mains supply, that is either from the inverter mains or the grid mains, depending on which one is selected for the activating the triac changeover circuit.
The input of the opto could be connected with these supplies through a 68K 5 watt resistor.